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Post by Berlin on Mar 28, 2013 9:10:23 GMT -6
I'm not sold that Rondo is enough to get Boston in the playoffs every year once Pierce and Garnett are gone. Plus, aren't the Celtics basically trying to give Rondo away before the deadline each and every year? Rondo can win games on his own just by getting other people involved. That being said, I didn't say they'd be a GOOD playoff team. 8th seed in the East can still be sub-.500, which is the worst of both worlds - no lottery pick, and no chance of winning. Rondo is my favorite player to watch, hands down. He does stuff that's just stupid. But even as a diehard Rondo apologist I'm having a hard time seeing this team succeed with him as a leader. If I had my way, I'd trade him for rookies and picks, suffer through a season with Jeff Green and Avery Bradley, and then study Sam Presti's methods long and hard. Of course, then we'd end up trading Green back for Perkins, so maybe not. Touche...I constantly forget that a record like 37-45 can get you into the playoffs in the East some years.
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2013 11:14:20 GMT -6
wasn't their a time when Harden/KD/Westbrook/Green/Ibaka were all on the same team? 0.0 There was, but unfortunately Brooks didn't understand how much easier it would have been to play Harden at the point and move Westbrick to SG and bring Sefo off the bench. You see you need to have an absurd loyalty to WB at the point even if it's not the best thing for your team. FIRE BROOKS!!!!!
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Post by London on Mar 28, 2013 11:57:52 GMT -6
I think Sefolosha is the right starter for OKC. They don't need more scoring from their starting 5 - they need a defender.
I believe an argument can be made that they should have kept Harden over Ibaka (or even Westbrook) but they made a choice and have to live with it.
BTW, anyone see the LAL/MIN game - what a bunch of shitty no-calls (not just the end hack of Kobe on Rubio, but the rest of the game was BS too).
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Post by Berlin on Mar 28, 2013 12:01:22 GMT -6
I think Sefolosha is the right starter for OKC. They don't need more scoring from their starting 5 - they need a defender. I believe an argument can be made that they should have kept Harden over Ibaka (or even Westbrook) but they made a choice and have to live with it. BTW, anyone see the LAL/MIN game - what a bunch of shitty no-calls (not just the end hack of Kobe on Rubio, but the rest of the game was BS too). No...why would anyone watch a MIN or a LAL game this year, let alone them playing each other?
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Post by London on Mar 28, 2013 12:14:30 GMT -6
Two words...
Ricky R*bio!!
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 13:04:43 GMT -6
Two words... Ricky R*bio!! THIS or If, for some reason, you like to watch Dwight Howard miss free throws. How about some love for the Denver Nuggets this season?! Kennith Faried has been an absolute beast for them this season. He plays with a ton of energy, is always on the offensive glass, and plays really physical. I think they've built a pretty solid and deep team and I love me some Ty Lawson, je hits his stride at the end of the season and hopefully he goes off like he did last season in the playoffs. Toss in Gallinari, Igudala, and JaValle McGee (if he can ever be consistent). I dunno I just really like their team and think they could give some people trouble in the playoffs. They are good all around an pretty darn deep. Side notes: LA still sucks a fat one. Didn't care for Kobe and no they have Dwight!! I could not watch the Lakers for the next 10 season!!! Miami is Miami and LeBron is LeBron Westbrick is a poison for OKC Harden is a beast
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Post by Berlin on Mar 28, 2013 13:06:33 GMT -6
Two words... Ricky R*bio!! Let me know when he starts doing more than 10 and 7 a night...he's fancy, but WAY overrated (and yes, I know about the steals...I'm not impressed).
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 13:10:05 GMT -6
Two words... Ricky R*bio!! Let me know when he starts doing more than 10 and 7 a night...he's fancy, but WAY overrated (and yes, I know about the steals...I'm not impressed). Let me know when you start actually watching the guy play. Stats don't do this man justice.
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2013 13:28:56 GMT -6
I'm with Swoosh on this one. Rubio is HIGHLY overrated. You can get the same statline form 2/3 of the other PGs in the league without the headache of an injury prone PG with more flash then substance. John, I've watched almost every televised OKC game this season and while I am ok with Sefo playing a significant amount of time the first team lives and dies TOO much with Durant or Westbrook getting off, which many times this season is not the case. I think they're biggest issue is the lineups that get put out every night. No team in the NBA has more then one big at this point so starting both Ibaka/Perkins is a waste because Perk brings nothing to the table. I would rather see Theebet start over Perk at this point because of the better production. However I think OKC could set themselves apart from the league with just a bit of consistency. Either running small from the start with a WB/Martin/Sefo/Durant/Ibaka lineup or getting a true PG to make sure Westbrick stops chucking up god damn jumpers in the first 3 seconds of the shot clock with no rebounders there
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 13:37:03 GMT -6
I'm with Swoosh on this one. Rubio is HIGHLY overrated. You can get the same statline form 2/3 of the other PGs in the league without the headache of an injury prone PG with more flash then substance. Like I said stats don't do him justice. You CAN get these stats from 2/3 of the PGs but you don't get the game he brings. Hes constantly finding the open man, he makes unbelievable passes, he has flashes of brilliance on the offensive end too. You also have to realize in the last two seasons he finally played just over 80 games in the NBA. The guy is 22 years old and just came off a torn ACL (and if one ACL injury qualifies you as injury prone then I guess Rondo and Rose are too). Mark my words, Rubio will be and All Star and one of the best point guards in the league in a few seasons. In my opinion its easy to see how good he will be. As long as he doesn't blow out a knee again he will be unreal.
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 13:52:24 GMT -6
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2013 13:59:32 GMT -6
In a blowout win he comes in and does that against 3rd stringers! I'm SOLD!
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 14:33:32 GMT -6
I guess you're right, he's bad.
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Post by Bayi on Mar 28, 2013 14:39:06 GMT -6
I love Ricky Rubio as much as the next person, but he's more flash than substance right now. You can get behind the back passes from an And-1 player, but that doesn't mean he's the next coming of John Stockton.
The idea that Ricky is a franchise player right now is wishful thinking.
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Post by London on Mar 28, 2013 14:39:27 GMT -6
Rubio is awesome - he makes his teammates much better and his stealing skills are CRAZY!!!
Rubio since 1/26/13 (30 games)
127/314 FGS 40.45%
13/46 3ptFGs 28.26%
121/157 FTs 77.07%
4.9rpg (148 total rebounds)
8.4apg (253total assists)
2.7spg (82 total steals)
12.9 ppg (388 total points)
.506TS%
PER36 (30 games - 954 minutes, 19 seconds. That's 31.81 min/game.)
5.6r/36
9.5a/36
3.1s/36
14.8p/36
If you round that off to the nearest whole number, he's a 15/10/6/3 guy per-36.
And he only has 11 TOs in his last 6 games.
Not bad... for basically a rookie (who's never had an NBA training camp/off-season).
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Post by Berlin on Mar 28, 2013 14:52:50 GMT -6
Yeah, still not impressed. Sorry, I'd still take 10-12 PGs ahead of him right now. Maybe in a few seasons that will be different...
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Post by London on Mar 28, 2013 14:56:56 GMT -6
Well, yes, RIGHT NOW, you could say that.
The NBA is littered with high level PGs and he is playing on a team with low talent (until Love comes back) so the Wolves lose a lot. If this team were the 7-8 seed (or higher as I think they might have been) there would be a lot of people embracing Rubio, heralding him as the next Pistol Pete.
Anyway, bottom line (for me), Rubio is a rad and is an absolute MUST-WATCH. To say he isn't good or that he is more flash I think sells him short. He's certainly an impactful player on both ends of the court. Definitely one of the smartest basketball players I've ever watched play.
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Post by Derek on Mar 28, 2013 15:00:56 GMT -6
Don't do that... don't put him in that sentence. Pistol Pete was a great shooter and even better passer. The original showtime (quoting Magic Johnson there). Don't put someone who can't shoot the ball in the same category. We talking 3,667 points in 3 season without a 3 point line. Dale Brown went back and watched film. Pistol would have averaged more than 10 points more his senior season (58+ PPG) had their been a 3 point line. Don't ever, ever do that again!
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Post by Derek on Mar 28, 2013 15:01:29 GMT -6
P.S. I am a huge Ricky Rubio fan!
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Post by London on Mar 28, 2013 15:03:21 GMT -6
I meant more in the look, flash, pizzazz, style.. you know, all those things you think of when you mention "showtime"... Rubio has them in spades and it finishing/drawing contact at a pretty high rate.
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Post by Derek on Mar 28, 2013 15:10:49 GMT -6
I implore you to watch more Pistol Pete footage... research the quotes, and understand the greatness. 6'5 elite shooter who just happened to be the best passer and pretty damn crafty with the ball. Rubio is good, could be very good but he isn't even close to the real "showtime" ... more like The Professor.
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Post by Tyler on Mar 28, 2013 15:14:16 GMT -6
I have to agree with London, to say he's more flash is definitely selling him short. He sees the game differently and can dish out assists that very few PGs in the league right now could. No he's not the greatest scorer but he's obviously a pass first point guard and great on the defensive end. You can tell when you watch the Wolves that he plays harder then almost every player on the floor and he has a high basketball IQ. I don't think he's the greatest thing to ever happen to basketball but I'm definitely glad he's on the Wolves and I'm excited to watch him get better and crush in his prime. He's the next Nash or Stockton (in the sense of a great pass first PG and makes his team better), but obviously not the same exact type of player.
EDIT- and he could very well be the next 'Showtime' in terms of entertainment factor.
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2013 16:15:08 GMT -6
The next Nash or Stockton??? I don't even know where to begin the ass whoopin son.
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Post by Royale on Mar 28, 2013 17:26:32 GMT -6
he's the next J-will (flashy version) with defense if Rubio don't improve his scoring
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2013 17:36:01 GMT -6
For some reason I laugh when I think of a showtime Wolves team. A bunch of small white guys running and gunning Play way below the rim
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