Jeb
Assistant to the General Manager
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Post by Jeb on Apr 17, 2015 12:01:29 GMT -6
I actually think he is a fit in Minnesota if they cannot get one of the Kentucky Bigs. Rubio Russell Wiggins would be a lot of fun yes i like the idea... then no i hate the idea... like the idea of him with rubio if we decide to keep him... HATE the idea because it moves wiggins to the 3 where I dont like him playing
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Post by Madrid on Apr 20, 2015 7:06:27 GMT -6
Russell: I mostly agree that in that I don't entirely project him as a PG, but it just seems to be what I'm hearing. I don't think I'd want him as a long-term starter at PG, but yes, he seems like one of those off guards that always has the ball in his hands like Harden or Roy. I do think he has better vision (and is less of a scorer) than both of them, so I wouldn't be afraid to give him time as the sole ball handler throughout the game. For instance, Evan Turner saw some time as one of three (or four) wings on the floor for the Pacers last year (and Celtics this year). He's started some games at PG for Boston, and I do think an up-and-coming team could do that with Russell. It'd be a worthwhile experiment for a year or two, better than Oladipo at PG in Orlando.As a fellow Hoosier, we both coulda told Orlando from the start that Oladipo was not worth trying to make into a PG, thats not his game Yep. But what's interesting about the experiment is that it forced Oladipo to learn the 4th and most complicated position of his career. He's still not a PG, but his ball handling and court vision are both much better as a result and that's made him an even better player.
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Post by Madrid on Apr 20, 2015 7:25:16 GMT -6
Winslow and Stanley scare the crap outta me... could be Julian Wrights... Both could have used another year of college. Who knows. Russell/Hezonja yep. Kristaps, gonna need time but his veiling man, it's high. Not higher than Towns but much much more versatile than Okafor. Okafor lacks the horizontal and quick lift elite levels. He's got very good strength but so does rest of NBA veterans. I more worry about him fitting in todays game with his lack of shooting ability and struggles on defense against P&R or outside of 8 feet. Gonna get exposed. Oh man, Julian Wright had gobs of potential. Winslow and Johnson are probably a little more NBA ready than Wright was, but I see the comparison. I do like Winslow's shot. With a little pro tweaking, that at least should ensure he's not the next Julian Wright. Okafor definitely started scaring me away just before and during the tournament. He does not care about any facet of basketball except for his post game, and sometimes when he goes for an offensive rebound. It'll be really interesting to see how he develops based on where he goes. He needs a lot of work on defense, rebounding, and the pick and roll (both sides). If he gets a coach who feeds him the ball without holding him accountable at everything else (Derek Fisher in NY?), he should have no trouble turning into Al Jefferson. If he winds up in LA with Byron Scott, he might either develop the overall skills to turn into Tim Duncan, or Scott might not play him due to his defensive lapses and ruin his career. I'm pretty sure he's going to stay in that 12-16 foot range on the pick and roll, just like how Charlotte and Indiana hide Al Jefferson and Roy Hibbert. Not a sound defensive strategy in today's NBA, but it'll probably have to happen. Okafor does have a decent elbow jumper which I think could turn into a weapon in the next few years at 16-17 feet, but he has a lot of basketball to work on outside the post, and I hope he cares enough to do so.
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Post by Derek on Apr 20, 2015 7:31:24 GMT -6
Yeah, his work ethic is not an issue at all. I just fear he lacks the athletic ability to ever be a plus defender in today's NBA. That's the big difference.
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Post by Milan on May 14, 2015 18:34:10 GMT -6
I'm new here, but hopefully I'm not the only Clipper fan. Huge game for us tonight and I'm super nervous. Scared if we lose tonight we'll lose the series and I've been a fan for way too many years for us to not make it to the Western Conference finals.
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Post by London on May 19, 2015 7:16:42 GMT -6
NBA DRAFT LOTTO TODAY!!
And it's KG's birthday...
LET'S GO WOLVES!
#bestdayoftheyear
#untilthelottoisrun
#werepicking4th
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Jeb
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Post by Jeb on May 19, 2015 10:10:07 GMT -6
NBA DRAFT LOTTO TODAY!! And it's KG's birthday... LET'S GO WOLVES! #bestdayoftheyear #untilthelottoisrun #werepicking4th #minnesotasportsfanlife i mean if we send KG there and go fetch him a youngster to foster.... then its #1 yea!
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Post by Los Angeles on May 19, 2015 10:46:32 GMT -6
Its that day of the year again where us wolves fans get destroyed
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Post by Los Angeles on May 19, 2015 19:55:40 GMT -6
Finally wolves 1
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Post by Madrid on May 20, 2015 8:08:16 GMT -6
Good for the Wolves. Who do they pick at 1? I've heard they're one of the few teams that likes Okafor more than Towns. That makes things interesting for the Lakers, then. They could really use a defender next to Randle, but Okafor + Kobe could have them competing for a playoff spot next year.
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Post by San Francisco on May 20, 2015 9:03:57 GMT -6
Good for the Wolves. Who do they pick at 1? I've heard they're one of the few teams that likes Okafor more than Towns. That makes things interesting for the Lakers, then. They could really use a defender next to Randle, but Okafor + Kobe could have them competing for a playoff spot next year. Umm unless the Lakers are suddenly in the Eastern Conference they have ZERO chance of being a playoff team unless they add a premier free agent this off season and both he and Kobe stay healthy the whole year
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Post by New York on May 20, 2015 9:18:15 GMT -6
Yeah I find it unlikely that LA is in the post season next year. Whether they draft Okafor, Towns, Mudiay, or Russell these guys will need time before they are big time impact players. Lets say they draft Okafor which is likely:
Clarkson - Kobe - FA SF - Randle - Okafor
Isn't a top 8 team next year in the West. But the three young guys give them a solid future.
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Post by London on May 20, 2015 9:39:11 GMT -6
Sounds like right now the Wolves lean toward Okafor but it's not a done deal. Still a lot of workouts left to schedule.
Also, perhaps a new coach is hired and he wants some say over who is selected. Too many variables yet but right now I'd say they favor Okafor.
Personally, I favor Towns for this team. His skill set seems to fit the Wolves roster better.
(To be fair, I watched very little college basketball this year.)
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Post by Los Angeles on May 20, 2015 9:49:17 GMT -6
I think in the end Flip will take TOwns, I know hes enamored w okafor but he keeps stressing he wants a 2 way player and if he takes okafor hes a hypocrite
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Post by Madrid on May 20, 2015 10:01:36 GMT -6
Good for the Wolves. Who do they pick at 1? I've heard they're one of the few teams that likes Okafor more than Towns. That makes things interesting for the Lakers, then. They could really use a defender next to Randle, but Okafor + Kobe could have them competing for a playoff spot next year. Umm unless the Lakers are suddenly in the Eastern Conference they have ZERO chance of being a playoff team unless they add a premier free agent this off season and both he and Kobe stay healthy the whole year They can still compete for a spot in that 8th-10th range. Memphis, Portland, and Dallas could all take significant steps back next year, although Memphis will probably stay the same. Of course, you have to pencil in OKC. I'm not sure what will happen in Utah or Phoenix next year, but I'm assuming they'll still be relatively competitive. But, if Kobe plays the whole season, Okafor is immediately an 18/10 guy, and then Clarkson/Randle can chip in 12-15 ppg, then I think they'll be better than Utah, Phoenix, and Sacramento, which puts them on the outside looking in, hence, "compete for a playoff spot."
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Post by New York on May 20, 2015 10:07:31 GMT -6
Expecting Okafor to be an immediate 20 - 10 guy (lol you edited your post) may be setting your expectations a little too high for the kid. I expect double digit PPG and about 8 RPG from him out of the gate. Randle, Clarkson, and whoever is the #2 pick will be playing their first meaningful NBA games next season so you have to give those guys time.
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Post by Madrid on May 20, 2015 10:40:53 GMT -6
Expecting Okafor to be an immediate 20 - 10 guy (lol you edited your post) may be setting your expectations a little too high for the kid. I expect double digit PPG and about 8 RPG from him out of the gate. Randle, Clarkson, and whoever is the #2 pick will be playing their first meaningful NBA games next season so you have to give those guys time. Yeh, I thought 20/10 might be a bit much to expect, but still possible. But the guy has the most refined post game coming out of college since Tim Duncan, so I'd be surprised if bare minimum he's not putting up 15/8. I think somewhere between 15/8 and 20/10 is realistic for next year. He, Kobe, and Byron Scott are all old school guys, so I'm assuming they'll work relatively well together if the Timberpups don't snatch Okafor. Randle and Clarkson still need time, sure, and the Lakers will need a supporting cast, but I think they'll be fairly competitive next year if they get Okafor. Will that competitiveness lead to the playoffs? Probably not, but they'll be in the mix.
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Post by London on May 20, 2015 12:14:57 GMT -6
I think in the end Flip will take TOwns, I know hes enamored w okafor but he keeps stressing he wants a 2 way player and if he takes okafor hes a hypocrite I hope you are right but I am not hearing it that way. I'm a little scared that we are considering drafting Emeka Okafor and passing on Dwight Howard. Also, reported Okafor isn't a great rebounder. I'd be surprises if he ever averages 10 rpg. I think his ceiling is like 9.6, maybe he cracks 10 once or twice. (Reminder: I am basing this off readings/insights. I haven't seen him play much.)
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Post by Madrid on May 20, 2015 12:34:47 GMT -6
I think in the end Flip will take TOwns, I know hes enamored w okafor but he keeps stressing he wants a 2 way player and if he takes okafor hes a hypocrite I hope you are right but I am not hearing it that way. I'm a little scared that we are considering drafting Emeka Okafor and passing on Dwight Howard. Also, reported Okafor isn't a great rebounder. I'd be surprises if he ever averages 10 rpg. I think his ceiling is like 9.6, maybe he cracks 10 once or twice. (Reminder: I am basing this off readings/insights. I haven't seen him play much.) He's not a good rebounder, but a lot of that is attitude. Jahlil only cares about basketball when he has the ball or is about to score. So, he's actually a pretty good offensive rebounder (at the college level) if the ball is in his area, because he wants to get it and score. But, he's not going to go get a rebound that's not near him. The same thing applies for defensive rebounding. He'd rather let someone else grab it, so he can get down the court and establish post position. But has a good frame and massive hands, so if his coach can get him to care and learn to box out, then he could turn into a solid rebounder. Defensively, he also just doesn't care at all. He's going to block a few shots, but he's also going to give up offensive rebounds, be late on rotations because he's slow (and doesn't understand defense), and he won't be able to defend the pick & roll well. I'd be more concerned about his defense than his rebounding, which is saying a lot because his rebounding is concerning. But he's a helluva post player and passer.
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Post by London on May 20, 2015 12:44:16 GMT -6
I dont want to spend the #1 pick on a guy who doesn't care (or only does when the ball is in his hands).
That's not the guy you build a franchise around.
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Post by Madrid on May 20, 2015 12:54:19 GMT -6
I dont want to spend the #1 pick on a guy who doesn't care (or only does when the ball is in his hands). That's not the guy you build a franchise around. Good thing is, though, KG will be there to chew him out and taunt him every time he misses a rotation or a board, so that could eventually work out well.
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Post by London on May 20, 2015 12:59:28 GMT -6
I dont want to spend the #1 pick on a guy who doesn't care (or only does when the ball is in his hands). That's not the guy you build a franchise around. Good thing is, though, KG will be there to chew him out and taunt him every time he misses a rotation or a board, so that could eventually work out well. I think Towns could learn just as much if not more. Imagine KG tutoring a guy who wants to learn and play hard.
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Post by Los Angeles on May 20, 2015 13:31:40 GMT -6
I really think the tide will turn and well go with Towns John. I know everythings coming up Okafor rn but for some reason I have faith that theyll see the light in the next month
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Post by Milan on May 20, 2015 18:25:24 GMT -6
Curious as to who the Sixers take at 3.
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Post by New York on May 20, 2015 18:31:44 GMT -6
I'd think it'd be one of the guards. Russell has been their guy for a while from what I've read but i'm guessing Mudiay may sway them with a strong workout.
Also there's a possibility Russell goes #2 to LA so then your guy would likely be Mudiay by default.
Should be an interesting young team regardless.
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