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Post by Berlin on Jul 19, 2013 12:46:14 GMT -6
Boston trades:
A 2nd round pick
Mexico City trades:
Forrest DeBernardi
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Post by Berlin on Jul 19, 2013 12:47:30 GMT -6
Since this is seemingly a hot topic trade, I'll put it up here where it belongs.
Personally, I agree with Boston...the best part of this deal is that I don't have to hear Aaron mention Forrest's name every 25 minutes in chat anymore.
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Post by Mexico City on Jul 19, 2013 12:51:30 GMT -6
Arnette!!!
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Post by Berlin on Jul 19, 2013 12:54:43 GMT -6
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Post by London on Jul 19, 2013 13:19:43 GMT -6
Glad to be done hearing about Forrest..
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Post by Derek on Jul 19, 2013 13:40:40 GMT -6
Boston wins... but I'm okay with that.
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Post by Bayi on Jul 19, 2013 14:12:14 GMT -6
I LITERALLY laughed out loud seeing this on the Trade Comments board.
In the immortal words of the league Skype chat:
"forrest"
"forrest"
"forrest"
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Post by Tyler on Jul 19, 2013 18:07:33 GMT -6
Funny how quick Berlin and the rest of the committee is to shut down a trade involving absolute nobodies but once it involves someone who is actually admitting to tanking its just chalked up to 'hes been trying to move him for a week'. Its also quite funny how in 3 hours after the trade is done and rosters are uploaded to reflect Forrest on Boston. This shit annoys me. If he had dealt him to anyone else for only a 2nd rounder, it'd be declined.
To make things clear, I don't give a shit about either team and it makes no difference to me, but it all seems a little two faced if you ask me. I guess Ill just get used to it.
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Post by Berlin on Jul 19, 2013 19:27:46 GMT -6
Funny how quick Berlin and the rest of the committee is to shut down a trade involving absolute nobodies but once it involves someone who is actually admitting to tanking its just chalked up to 'hes been trying to move him for a week'. Its also quite funny how in 3 hours after the trade is done and rosters are uploaded to reflect Forrest on Boston. This shit annoys me. If he had dealt him to anyone else for only a 2nd rounder, it'd be declined. To make things clear, I don't give a shit about either team and it makes no difference to me, but it all seems a little two faced if you ask me. I guess Ill just get used to it. It can't annoy you and make no difference to you at the same time...you can either be pissed and stick to your convictions or be aloof and not care. You don't get to play it both ways or you just sound wishy-washy. But don't worry, it isn't just you, so I'll try breaking this down. For the clown shoes and buffoons who haven't figured this out yet, let me make this perfectly clear...there is an absurd amount of undisputed, unbridled, unprecedented and unabashed tanking going on this season. While every season of every league has some tanking going on, I've never seen it go to such ridiculous extremes as it has here this season. Anybody with half a brain has seen these talent for 2nd round picks and knows what the deal is, but once a blind eye was presumably turned to one, a precedent was apparently set, and now it is open season that any deal can go down of the sort as long as you follow the exact confines of the trade rules as they are specified. Do I personally like it? Not at all...but if you were going to make your grand stand against the practice, you should have stood up two weeks ago when Tehran and Toronto started massively dumping players, not now. As for why the other trade got shut down...as you can obviously see, the rules are pretty simple to get around right now, but you do need to make sure you don't just deal expirings for worse expirings, and you have to get something of value, no matter how small it is. It's how the rules are worded. Toronto dealt for an FA he could have signed himself and an expiring he cut in the trade thread...that breaks both halves of the rules. And even with that faux pas sorted out, Toronto still managed to make his deal...by getting a 2nd round pick for his player. So CSKA, be pissed about the situation if you like, but know what you are talking about before hand. And to the person who is sending me PMs (and you know who you are), be aware that like all communications I ever get from you, I continue to delete them unread, so you are wasting your time and effort...stop the non-sense. |
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Post by San Antonio on Jul 19, 2013 22:53:12 GMT -6
Who cares about what Boston does, they're still not going to catch me or Chicago this season.  |
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Post by London on Jul 19, 2013 23:05:27 GMT -6
Funny how quick Berlin and the rest of the committee is to shut down a trade involving absolute nobodies but once it involves someone who is actually admitting to tanking its just chalked up to 'hes been trying to move him for a week'. Its also quite funny how in 3 hours after the trade is done and rosters are uploaded to reflect Forrest on Boston. This shit annoys me. If he had dealt him to anyone else for only a 2nd rounder, it'd be declined. To make things clear, I don't give a shit about either team and it makes no difference to me, but it all seems a little two faced if you ask me. I guess Ill just get used to it. I wasn't involved in the initial discussion of the other trade that was rejected, but.. It involved 3 players - the "talent", the "FA pickup", and the "Guy who was cut." Basically, "talent" was given up for, "FA pickup" and the "Guy who was cut" which meant that he was traded for a downgrade in talent (not allowed) for no "asset". This trade (BOS/MC) has a 2nd (asset) involved. I don't see the problem with this. It's pretty clear. |
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Post by Bayi on Jul 20, 2013 8:02:38 GMT -6
We've done deals like this throughout the history of all of the ABCAs. It only seems to be an issue now because of the teams involved.
I actively shop my 2nds because I don't want them. They're an added roster member and 900k of unwanted salary. If anything, MC took more on in this deal than I did.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Jul 20, 2013 18:13:24 GMT -6
Once I learned Forrest was shopped for awhile (hadn't been on skype) I changed my stance on this.
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Post by Tyler on Jul 21, 2013 22:41:09 GMT -6
Funny how quick Berlin and the rest of the committee is to shut down a trade involving absolute nobodies but once it involves someone who is actually admitting to tanking its just chalked up to 'hes been trying to move him for a week'. Its also quite funny how in 3 hours after the trade is done and rosters are uploaded to reflect Forrest on Boston. This shit annoys me. If he had dealt him to anyone else for only a 2nd rounder, it'd be declined. To make things clear, I don't give a shit about either team and it makes no difference to me, but it all seems a little two faced if you ask me. I guess Ill just get used to it. It can't annoy you and make no difference to you at the same time...you can either be pissed and stick to your convictions or be aloof and not care. You don't get to play it both ways or you just sound wishy-washy. But don't worry, it isn't just you, so I'll try breaking this down. For the clown shoes and buffoons who haven't figured this out yet, let me make this perfectly clear...there is an absurd amount of undisputed, unbridled, unprecedented and unabashed tanking going on this season. While every season of every league has some tanking going on, I've never seen it go to such ridiculous extremes as it has here this season. Anybody with half a brain has seen these talent for 2nd round picks and knows what the deal is, but once a blind eye was presumably turned to one, a precedent was apparently set, and now it is open season that any deal can go down of the sort as long as you follow the exact confines of the trade rules as they are specified. Do I personally like it? Not at all...but if you were going to make your grand stand against the practice, you should have stood up two weeks ago when Tehran and Toronto started massively dumping players, not now. As for why the other trade got shut down...as you can obviously see, the rules are pretty simple to get around right now, but you do need to make sure you don't just deal expirings for worse expirings, and you have to get something of value, no matter how small it is. It's how the rules are worded. Toronto dealt for an FA he could have signed himself and an expiring he cut in the trade thread...that breaks both halves of the rules. And even with that faux pas sorted out, Toronto still managed to make his deal...by getting a 2nd round pick for his player. So CSKA, be pissed about the situation if you like, but know what you are talking about before hand. And to the person who is sending me PMs (and you know who you are), be aware that like all communications I ever get from you, I continue to delete them unread, so you are wasting your time and effort...stop the non-sense. You need to chill out man. You always have something to say and 90% of the time you are condescending. You cant tell me how I can think about things and how I cant, things dont work like that. Ill break it down because you obviously dont know what you are talking about. First things first, I am by no means 'pissed'. Annoyed was the word and its different then pissed. Second I can be 'pissed' and have it make no difference at the same time and here's why: I am 'pissed' because the way things are done around here have shown favoritism at times for example- two committee members make a trade for a 17 ppg starting player and the only thing given in return is a 2nd (even though he was given a better offer AND he admitted to dealing him for nothing to tank) and I do believe one of the first trades in Global involved CSP trading Max Zaslofsky (who is a star) for mere expirings and it was an 8 for 1 trade (no 2nds)... You cant trade past the roster minimum but that was pushed through as well. Now if you can push all that stuff through, it pretty much tells me anything is fair game as long as its within the rules (at least a 2nd needs to be traded) and it also tells me when it involves some of the committee there is more leniency given. Now here is why I can be 'pissed' and it can make no difference to me at the same time. Im not in the lotto so I dont care if MC tanks AND Boston isnt in my conference and I dont have his pick so I dont care what happens to his team in playoffs. Wierd I guess I can be annoyed as well as it make no difference to me at the same time because turns out Im annoyed about one thing and dont care about the end result because it has zero effect on me, it does however effect the league (more so in how things are done, now about what it does to teams). As for tanking. All I get from your entire paragraph is everyone is doing it so its ok. The talent being dumped before was bench players or role players on bad teams. The talent being dumped in this trade is a 17 PPG starter whos worth more then a 2nd. Its not the fact that he's dumping talent, its the talent thats being dumped. By your logic I should be able to trade Mihai Nedef for a 2nd and we all know thats not right. I understand why the previous trade got declined but by comparison this trade is worse. Expirings for expirings that give you a slight upgrade is much more reasonable the a starter for a 2nd round pick. So Berlin, keep defending things through a lot of awful reasoning and act like you know so much and Ill keep being 'pissed' and not care at the same time. |
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Post by Mexico City on Jul 21, 2013 22:53:47 GMT -6
Man moscow where were u for the past month while I shopped forrest
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Post by Tyler on Jul 22, 2013 0:27:14 GMT -6
Not offering a 2nd because most people would laugh at an offer of a 2nd for a starter.
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Post by Berlin on Jul 22, 2013 8:38:14 GMT -6
It can't annoy you and make no difference to you at the same time...you can either be pissed and stick to your convictions or be aloof and not care. You don't get to play it both ways or you just sound wishy-washy. But don't worry, it isn't just you, so I'll try breaking this down. For the clown shoes and buffoons who haven't figured this out yet, let me make this perfectly clear...there is an absurd amount of undisputed, unbridled, unprecedented and unabashed tanking going on this season. While every season of every league has some tanking going on, I've never seen it go to such ridiculous extremes as it has here this season. Anybody with half a brain has seen these talent for 2nd round picks and knows what the deal is, but once a blind eye was presumably turned to one, a precedent was apparently set, and now it is open season that any deal can go down of the sort as long as you follow the exact confines of the trade rules as they are specified. Do I personally like it? Not at all...but if you were going to make your grand stand against the practice, you should have stood up two weeks ago when Tehran and Toronto started massively dumping players, not now. As for why the other trade got shut down...as you can obviously see, the rules are pretty simple to get around right now, but you do need to make sure you don't just deal expirings for worse expirings, and you have to get something of value, no matter how small it is. It's how the rules are worded. Toronto dealt for an FA he could have signed himself and an expiring he cut in the trade thread...that breaks both halves of the rules. And even with that faux pas sorted out, Toronto still managed to make his deal...by getting a 2nd round pick for his player. So CSKA, be pissed about the situation if you like, but know what you are talking about before hand. And to the person who is sending me PMs (and you know who you are), be aware that like all communications I ever get from you, I continue to delete them unread, so you are wasting your time and effort...stop the non-sense. You need to chill out man. You always have something to say and 90% of the time you are condescending. You cant tell me how I can think about things and how I cant, things dont work like that. Ill break it down because you obviously dont know what you are talking about. First things first, I am by no means 'pissed'. Annoyed was the word and its different then pissed. Second I can be 'pissed' and have it make no difference at the same time and here's why: I am 'pissed' because the way things are done around here have shown favoritism at times for example- two committee members make a trade for a 17 ppg starting player and the only thing given in return is a 2nd (even though he was given a better offer AND he admitted to dealing him for nothing to tank) and I do believe one of the first trades in Global involved CSP trading Max Zaslofsky (who is a star) for mere expirings and it was an 8 for 1 trade (no 2nds)... You cant trade past the roster minimum but that was pushed through as well. Now if you can push all that stuff through, it pretty much tells me anything is fair game as long as its within the rules (at least a 2nd needs to be traded) and it also tells me when it involves some of the committee there is more leniency given. Now here is why I can be 'pissed' and it can make no difference to me at the same time. Im not in the lotto so I dont care if MC tanks AND Boston isnt in my conference and I dont have his pick so I dont care what happens to his team in playoffs. Wierd I guess I can be annoyed as well as it make no difference to me at the same time because turns out Im annoyed about one thing and dont care about the end result because it has zero effect on me, it does however effect the league (more so in how things are done, now about what it does to teams). As for tanking. All I get from your entire paragraph is everyone is doing it so its ok. The talent being dumped before was bench players or role players on bad teams. The talent being dumped in this trade is a 17 PPG starter whos worth more then a 2nd. Its not the fact that he's dumping talent, its the talent thats being dumped. By your logic I should be able to trade Mihai Nedef for a 2nd and we all know thats not right. I understand why the previous trade got declined but by comparison this trade is worse. Expirings for expirings that give you a slight upgrade is much more reasonable the a starter for a 2nd round pick. So Berlin, keep defending things through a lot of awful reasoning and act like you know so much and Ill keep being 'pissed' and not care at the same time. I posted something before but took it down...Frankly, I wasn't even involved in the deal, but I get all fired up when people claim there is nefarious committee workings going on. This was just two teams taking advantage of the rules in place and I'll leave it at that. I'll simply suggest what John suggested to Chicago about the Fulks deal this morning. No one wanted a trade committee before...we have rules in place, and this season people have taken full advantage of them to an extreme level. If you think things should be done differently next season, put together a proposal and submit it to the league. 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Post by Derek on Jul 22, 2013 8:42:07 GMT -6
Meh. I Aint Got No Worries.
Leave it be, I'll gladly take advantage of rules when it is my turn to rebuild. LOL
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Post by Tyler on Jul 22, 2013 8:45:05 GMT -6
Yeah reading is hard  Its much easier to read a few sentences and make the rest up like its fact. I never said the only reason the trade went through is because two committee member were involved (and I also never mentioned collusion), but you continue to just make shit up and act like you're getting somewhere. The long and the short of it was that he got a better offer for the same player and he declined it in favor of LESS assets because he didn't like the other team he was trading with. The trade is obviously within the rules but the rules are you can trade ANYTHING for a 2nd and most of the time the committee would have a problem with someone trading a 2nd round pick for a 17 ppg starter. Ill try to help you with this one more time.. I'm annoyed with how things are approached depending on who's involved because its obviously not the same. I don't care about what the teams came out with because it doesn't effect my season either way. There are two separate things Im talking about and if you still cant figure it out I can try a few more times if you'd like. Ill probably have to because you'll only read the first three sentences again. So with all of that said, it's done and that's fine, but Ill continue to speak up when I think a trade is a little ridiculous and especially when I feel like the committee would have a different view depending on who's involved. Its just my opinion and like I said before Ill just get used to it. It could have been done right there but Berlin always has something to say, whether hes making it up or not. |
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Post by Berlin on Jul 22, 2013 8:55:51 GMT -6
Yeah reading is hard Its much easier to read a few sentences and make the rest up like its fact. I never said the only reason the trade went through is because two committee member were involved (and I also never mentioned collusion), but you continue to just make shit up and act like you're getting somewhere. The long and the short of it was that he got a better offer for the same player and he declined it in favor of LESS assets because he didn't like the other team he was trading with. The trade is obviously within the rules but the rules are you can trade ANYTHING for a 2nd and most of the time the committee would have a problem with someone trading a 2nd round pick for a 17 ppg starter. Ill try to help you with this one more time.. I'm annoyed with how things are approached depending on who's involved because its obviously not the same. I don't care about what the teams came out with because it doesn't effect my season either way. There are two separate things Im talking about and if you still cant figure it out I can try a few more times if you'd like. Ill probably have to because you'll only read the first three sentences again. So with all of that said, it's done and that's fine, but Ill continue to speak up when I think a trade is a little ridiculous and especially when I feel like the committee would have a different view depending on who's involved. Its just my opinion and like I said before Ill just get used to it. It could have been done right there but Berlin always has something to say, whether hes making it up or not. Shows what I get for trying to take the high road...oh well. Anywho...other than your rabble-rousing about HOW things are approached depending on who is involved, and how you don't care and whatnot, do you care to show an example of your work for the class? I like that you can throw barbs...it's cute...it really is. But how about you actually back it up with some fact. When are all these times some people are treated differently than others? Cause right now you sound like someone who is pissed off that someone got a good deal. MY opinion is that if you think something is that broken, you'd make a bigger deal than say, "Ah shucks, too bad, not my conference, doesn't affect me". Cause that's the wishy-washy way of saying I like to make baseless accusations but I don't have the stones to actually follow through with it. But then again, that's just MY opinion and all, saying something when people make shit up and what not. |
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Post by Derek on Jul 22, 2013 9:00:05 GMT -6
Not that I wanna get involved with this cry-fest but...
Milan / Pistons deal denied.
This one not.
Both within "rules" of the league. Easy to question why?
Funny though, in one statement Berlin says nothing wrong here, last night he cried on Skype about how Sotiri was soooo good for Tokyo and not just a throw in... Hmmmm so Sotiti > Forrest , Berlin?
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Post by Tyler on Jul 22, 2013 9:06:51 GMT -6
High road?! you are hilarious. You make all these 'valid' points and bash on me through a bunch of ridiculous reasons and turn around a delete your posts because you're taking the high road. Ill chalk this one up to you realizing that I actually have good points and yours were rather lacking.
And in response to this 'do you care to show an example of your work for the class?': Go delete more posts.... 'And to the person who is sending me PMs (and you know who you are), be aware that like all communications I ever get from you, I continue to delete them unread, so you are wasting your time and effort...stop the non-sense.' GOGO board member!
You're a joke. Don't try to start shit and then 'take the high road' by deleting your posts.
Oh and as for Fulks, he isn't even averaging as much as Forrest in a position of need rofl. He got more out of Fulks then MC did Forrest.
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Post by Berlin on Jul 22, 2013 9:07:14 GMT -6
Not that I wanna get involved with this cry-fest but... Milan / Pistons deal denied. This one not. Both within "rules" of the league. Easy to question why? Funny though, in one statement Berlin says nothing wrong here, last night he cried on Skype about how Sotiri was soooo good for Tokyo and not just a throw in... Hmmmm so Sotiti > Forrest , Berlin? 1. The committee had nothing to do with the Milan/Pistons situation. Can we all just learn to distinguish between what is "committee" and what is London? 2. In the chat I gave the merits of Sotiri/Mikan for a 20ish first/Wilkins/a bag of chips/some Oreos/some lint you found on the floor...and I said WHY WOULD TOKYO WANT THAT??? But in no way did any of us say that IF you made the trade would it be denied, did we? Lets try to tighten up our arguments here people....I just said earlier I'm all for trade reform, but until someone actually puts a proposal together and gets it voted on, the rules are the rules are the rules. |
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Post by Berlin on Jul 22, 2013 9:09:20 GMT -6
High road?! you are hilarious. You make all these 'valid' points and bash on me through a bunch of ridiculous reasons and turn around a delete your posts because you're taking the high road. Ill chalk this one up to you realizing that I actually have good points and yours were rather lacking. And in response to this 'do you care to show an example of your work for the class?': Go delete more posts.... 'And to the person who is sending me PMs (and you know who you are), be aware that like all communications I ever get from you, I continue to delete them unread, so you are wasting your time and effort...stop the non-sense.' GOGO board member! You're a joke. Don't try to start shit and then 'take the high road' by deleting your posts. So what you are saying is you have no examples...are talking out of your ass...and just felt look spouting off some more? Got it...moving on. At least BraZil offered up something. |
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Post by Tyler on Jul 22, 2013 9:13:15 GMT -6
I have plenty examples but you were to lazy to read and then you go and delete your arguments and are still talking down to me like YOU aren't talking out of YOUR ass. You're a joke and Ill call you out every time you post some stupid shit. Ill just make sure to quote everything so you cant go back and try to change shit. In any case Im done talking in here because we'll just get 5 more posts of the same thing out of you.
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Its much easier to read a few sentences and make the rest up like its fact. I never said the only reason the trade went through is because two committee member were involved (and I also never mentioned collusion), but you continue to just make shit up and act like you're getting somewhere. The long and the short of it was that he got a better offer for the same player and he declined it in favor of LESS assets because he didn't like the other team he was trading with. The trade is obviously within the rules but the rules are you can trade ANYTHING for a 2nd and most of the time the committee would have a problem with someone trading a 2nd round pick for a 17 ppg starter.