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Post by Madrid on Apr 29, 2013 8:47:49 GMT -6
I see that at least Brazil is with me in watching UFC at Bdubs. Who saw 159? That was the strangest collection of random injuries I've ever seen. We had two eye pokes lead to technical decisions for the first time in a while, one of which almost made Belcher lose his eye. Another guy broke his thumb in the first round and could not continue. Then, in the main event, Jon Jones broke his big toe and proceded to TKO Chael Sonnen.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 29, 2013 8:49:04 GMT -6
Nope...
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 8:50:34 GMT -6
Yes. Watched the fights of course. So sick of Chael Sonnen getting fights. Talks, talks, talks and can't back it up. Self promoters bother me in a sport like this.
That being said, curious to see how long Bones Jones is out and who exactly Silva wants to fight.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 9:18:06 GMT -6
I watch a lot of UFC and that card was messed up. Belcher got lucky and only needed 5 stitches on the inside of his eye lid, Jon Jones' toe was disgusting and so is that gif lol. He had a compound fracture of his big toe, but just layed an ass whoopin on Chael (not surprising at all). As much as I fucking hate Chael, I think he got a lot of people to watch the sport. You know how dumb some people are with drama..
Anyway Big Country one punches yet another guy and I can't get enough of this dude. He's such a good grappler that he kind of fakes the shoot and throws the biggest overhand rights and knocks everyone out. He's a lot of fun to watch and he's so dangerous with a little bit of space.
As for Anderson, I don't care who HE wants to fight because it'll be yet another joke of a match like he always picks, he NEEDS to fight Chris Weidman and get crushed so we can see Anderson Silva actually try again instead of facing a bunch of scrubs, taunting them, and knocking them out. I don't like him much.
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 9:26:08 GMT -6
1) Card - I completely agree except Chael has no spot among the top.
2) I respect Congo tremendously and he probably physically scares me more than anyone in UFC. Big Country made quick work of him though and may just deserve a title shot. Fun(Ny) to watch). Growing on me.
3) Silva - Either Love or Hate him. I don't hate him so you know where I stand on him, lol. He has taken fights vs. anyone in his weight class (clearly weak at top like Welterweight class is). Strength in those classes is the middle. He is bound to lose sooner or later and I agree, I'd rather him walk in and end it in 30 seconds but UFC wouldn't be as happy and fans wouldn't get opportunity to LOVE/HATE him as much.
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 29, 2013 9:27:17 GMT -6
Didn't buy the PPV because I knew Jones was going to run through Chael. I thought it would be a 3rd or 4th rd submission though. I was rooting hard for Belcher since I hate Bisping but Bisping is just the better fighter at this point. Very happy that Roy Nelson won. Been a huge fan of him since I first saw him in IFL.
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 9:58:46 GMT -6
No, I prefer a REAL sport like Boxing
COME AT ME BRO!
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 10:00:16 GMT -6
When a boxer takes a kick, I'll actually watch it. LOL
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 10:40:32 GMT -6
No, I prefer a REAL sport like Boxing COME AT ME BRO! Rofl, the only people who say this are Boxing fans or WWE fans I love the UFC. Put two guys in a cage with no advantages other then what you've prepared and trained for and your body build and see who's better. It's one of the purest forms of competition. It's also not limited to only standing and punching. As for Anderson I hear you loud and clear. Jones is the same way for some reason. You either love him or hate him but his competition is better at LHW and he's less cocky and more dominating then Silva IMO. This next fight card should be amazing too. Cain Valasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva and Mark Hunt vs. Junior Dos Antos.
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 29, 2013 11:01:09 GMT -6
Cain will run through Big Foot again and JDA will get past Hunt's ridiculous chin. It's been great seeing Hunt win these last few fights but JDA is more technical and will probably end up taking him down and subbing him at some point.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 11:56:08 GMT -6
I think you're right in both aspects. Cain is a monster and Big Foot will probably get crushed again. The first fight was the first time I watched Big Foot fight and I thought he was bad (thats how badly Cain crushed him). Hes actually a decent fighter but I dont think he can keep up with the pace Valasquez puts on people. As for JDS I agree with that also. Hunt does have a ridiculous chin and some knockout power but so does Big Country and JDS just picked him apart and hit him with some huge shots, so I think it will be much of the same.
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 11:58:26 GMT -6
Yeah, should be interesting to see just how weak the heavyweight division is.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 12:02:50 GMT -6
Not as weak as middleweight.. Im pretty sure thats the weakest division in all of UFC. Uriah Hall was considered a contender before he even got off the show haha.
Cain JDS Hunt Big Foot Big Country Overeem
Heavyweight isnt terrible, but its also not terribly deep.
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 12:06:00 GMT -6
I am going against what I said earlier but it sort of just occurred to me:
Maybe the OVERALL talent pool is much higher than say 5 years ago and that is why it all appears weaker. Maybe those few atop are just that good. LOL
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 13:27:27 GMT -6
No, I prefer a REAL sport like Boxing COME AT ME BRO! Rofl, the only people who say this are Boxing fans or WWE fans I love the UFC. Put two guys in a cage with no advantages other then what you've prepared and trained for and your body build and see who's better. It's one of the purest forms of competition. It's also not limited to only standing and punching. As for Anderson I hear you loud and clear. Jones is the same way for some reason. You either love him or hate him but his competition is better at LHW and he's less cocky and more dominating then Silva IMO. This next fight card should be amazing too. Cain Valasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva and Mark Hunt vs. Junior Dos Antos. I originally posted just to get you going, however I have a close friend here who was a pro boxer who loves UFC. However it pisses him off when people make it seem like it's harder to be in the UFC. Boxing is a sport where if you aren't paying attention 100% of the time you can be fucked up beyond repair. There are no rest holds and big guys just smoothering each other. I think boxing suffers from being almost all PPV and thus making it hard for fans to keep up with it. UFC is the "Cool" hip thing being shoved down our throats from the ESPN and Spike TV crowd. I'll leave this question, could a good boxer be successful in UFC? I think so, any true striker with those reflexes will fuck you up. Can half of these UFC guys put on gloves and be a solid boxer? I truly don't know. However I see alot more less in shape UFC'ers then boxers. I mean Brock Lesnar was successful at it so it can't be that hard right?
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 29, 2013 16:35:22 GMT -6
Rofl, the only people who say this are Boxing fans or WWE fans I love the UFC. Put two guys in a cage with no advantages other then what you've prepared and trained for and your body build and see who's better. It's one of the purest forms of competition. It's also not limited to only standing and punching. As for Anderson I hear you loud and clear. Jones is the same way for some reason. You either love him or hate him but his competition is better at LHW and he's less cocky and more dominating then Silva IMO. This next fight card should be amazing too. Cain Valasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva and Mark Hunt vs. Junior Dos Antos. I originally posted just to get you going, however I have a close friend here who was a pro boxer who loves UFC. However it pisses him off when people make it seem like it's harder to be in the UFC. Boxing is a sport where if you aren't paying attention 100% of the time you can be fucked up beyond repair. There are no rest holds and big guys just smoothering each other. I think boxing suffers from being almost all PPV and thus making it hard for fans to keep up with it. UFC is the "Cool" hip thing being shoved down our throats from the ESPN and Spike TV crowd. I'll leave this question, could a good boxer be successful in UFC? I think so, any true striker with those reflexes will fuck you up. Can half of these UFC guys put on gloves and be a solid boxer? I truly don't know. However I see alot more less in shape UFC'ers then boxers. I mean Brock Lesnar was successful at it so it can't be that hard right? James Toney got the shit kicked out of him by a 94 year-old Randy Couture. You need WAY more than just boxing to even compete at even the most basic levels of MMA. There are very few MMA fighters who can cross over into boxing and have any type of success but they don't exclusively train boxing (which you have to in order to have any success).
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Post by Drew on Apr 29, 2013 20:33:39 GMT -6
Umm has your buddy ever grappled? What looks like rest holding is amongst the hardest of activities in all of sport. Wrestling is no joke.
I am a lifelong boxing fan and have watched MMA for over a decade and they are both very vey high level athletic contests. I'd actually probably give the edge to MMA in difficulty, and my friend who's a high level amateur boxer agrees.
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Post by Drew on Apr 29, 2013 20:35:29 GMT -6
A good analogy is the decathlon and the 100 meter dash. Will a decathlete ever compete with a top tier sprinter in the dash? Probably not. But he can probably do 9 other things better. Which is the better athlete? Hard to say for sure, but I'm going with the decathlete.
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 20:44:50 GMT -6
The comment about dudes smoothering each other is my view on it not my friends. MMA to me is maybe a half step up from wrestling. Just as much a chance of injury in wrestling, just not the known fixing. Well maybe
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 20:53:02 GMT -6
Rofl, the only people who say this are Boxing fans or WWE fans I love the UFC. Put two guys in a cage with no advantages other then what you've prepared and trained for and your body build and see who's better. It's one of the purest forms of competition. It's also not limited to only standing and punching. As for Anderson I hear you loud and clear. Jones is the same way for some reason. You either love him or hate him but his competition is better at LHW and he's less cocky and more dominating then Silva IMO. This next fight card should be amazing too. Cain Valasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva and Mark Hunt vs. Junior Dos Antos. I originally posted just to get you going, however I have a close friend here who was a pro boxer who loves UFC. However it pisses him off when people make it seem like it's harder to be in the UFC. Boxing is a sport where if you aren't paying attention 100% of the time you can be fucked up beyond repair. There are no rest holds and big guys just smoothering each other. I think boxing suffers from being almost all PPV and thus making it hard for fans to keep up with it. UFC is the "Cool" hip thing being shoved down our throats from the ESPN and Spike TV crowd. I'll leave this question, could a good boxer be successful in UFC? I think so, any true striker with those reflexes will fuck you up. Can half of these UFC guys put on gloves and be a solid boxer? I truly don't know. However I see alot more less in shape UFC'ers then boxers. I mean Brock Lesnar was successful at it so it can't be that hard right? Honestly, I don't think a great boxer could be successful in the UFC without doing a lot of training in every other aspect of fighting. If a boxer comes into the UFC, they get taken down and beat on and that's that. I do however think there are a handful of UFC fighters that could go into boxing and be successful. The only two right off hand are the Diaz brothers. They are by far the best boxers in the UFC and they already prefer to stand the entire fight so I think they could hang with some pro boxers. They are different sports that focus on different aspects of fighting and I think its easier to limit what someone can do (meaning just boxing) as opposed to open someone up to everything (such as ground game, kicks, judo, grappling, ect, ect..) I dont mean to hate on boxing but its just a limited fighting organization just like kick boxing and wrestling. UFC is any style, any game plan, and if you aren't an amazing all around fighter you wont make it for very long. The way I look at the UFC is the put fighters that are in the same weight class against each other. They lock them in the cage and tell them to fight to the death (not literally but in a sense they do). If you look at it like that a knock out secures a victory in a bout to the death, as would submitting a guy for the most part (choked unconscious, limbs broken, ect..), and going to decision always sucks but you'd have a pretty good idea who'd win or you'd just assume they were so evenly matched they just give up haha. I just think its the purest form of competition because its one man versus one man, no one has a clear cut advantage (sometimes physically), no interference, no foreign objects, nothing. Its you vs him and see who the better man is. As for Brock Lesnar he was just 45lbs bigger then most heavy weights and much much faster. He was given the easiest and fastest path to a heavyweight title and fought a 40 year old to get the belt. He went 2-1 and got a title shot fighting pretty much nobodies. I will say he got much much better from his first fight to his last fight but with that said he was just physically overpowering and got fairly simple fights.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 20:56:00 GMT -6
A good analogy is the decathlon and the 100 meter dash. Will a decathlete ever compete with a top tier sprinter in the dash? Probably not. But he can probably do 9 other things better. Which is the better athlete? Hard to say for sure, but I'm going with the decathlete. This is a good way to put it. Boxers will always have a better striking game with their hands. They have every punch, every feint, every block down to a T where as a UFC fighter may not be as well versed in striking with their hands but they know hand strikes, leg strikes, wrestling, ju-jitsu, grappling, many submissions, guard game, ect, ect.. They are very different sports and I personally prefer UFC to Boxing but that's me.
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 21:10:23 GMT -6
Stereotyping boxing into a niche crowd with wrestling and kick boxing is absurd. I will start this off with I have not watched a boxing match since probably Tyson/Holyfield 1. To me it's as boring to watch as UFC is to me, however boxing has so much more heritage then the UFC will ever dream of having. For every UFC fan now, there was one for K-1 fighting back in the day. It's the new flashier fancier alternative to boxing, but I wouldn't be so quick to throw boxing in a corner like it's a sport that doesn't matter anymore. If boxing could figure a way to have as much exposure thru TV shows like the Ultimate Fighter and cater more to the Dudebro crowd who hangs out at BWWs they could be in the same boat. However too many people have their hands in the pot when it comes to boxing. There isn't one Dana White/Vince McMahon as the figure running things.
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 29, 2013 22:40:19 GMT -6
They already tried popularizing boxing through TV shows. They had that Sugar Ray Leonard/Sly Stallone show, "The Contender" on NBC and ESPN. De La Hoya then started "The Next Great Champ" which was on FOX. Neither caught on and Sergio Mora, sadly enough, was probably the best boxer to come from either show.
And to say that "for every UFC fan now, there was one for K-1 fighting back in the day" is absurd and flat out wrong. MMA (not UFC) is way more popular than K-1 ever was. Do us a favor and stick to the wrestling thread. It's always entertaining to watch John Cena win the title for the 1000th time.
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 22:41:37 GMT -6
A UFC fan liking John Cena? That makes sense, no taste
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 29, 2013 22:48:12 GMT -6
A UFC fan liking John Cena? That makes sense, no taste I was referring to you. I don't watch wrestling because I'm not 11 years old.
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