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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 8:02:41 GMT -6
They both lack one of the things that made Nash elite, his shooting ability. If either develop a consistent jumpshot, then maybe they'd move up the ranks. Don't get me wrong, they're both better defensive players than Nash, but not even half the offensive player. I'm a fan of Rubio too, I really REALLY wanted him on the Knicks. It killed me when him and Curry were picked at 5 & 7 respectively and the Knicks were 8. Nash isn't half the defender Rubio or Rondo are. Both of those guys are very pesky defenders. You're right but I've always been of the opinion that a PG's defense is the easiest to cover, and make a up. You can't cover and masks a PG's lack of offense. They are both better defenders but are worse at creating both their own and their teammates offense. I want to be clear that, In this comparison that i'm not comparing current day Nash to either of these guys, because he really seems to have fell off this past year.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 10, 2013 8:06:42 GMT -6
True but Rubio and Rondo aren't the high percentage shooter Nash was his entire career. They both could get to that level, but they definitely aren't there now.
With this said, I disagree a bit with you NY. Rubio creates shots for players on the Timberwolves even when he isn't shooting (and he has been getting much more confident with his shot). I think Rubio will break out soon.
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Post by London on Oct 10, 2013 8:16:07 GMT -6
CSKA is definitely right. Rubio creates for others the entire game, that's what makes him so good.
And I think you can learn shooting easier than you can improve your defense.
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 8:30:37 GMT -6
You both misunderstood what I was saying, I never said that Rubio or Rondo don't create for other, they clearly do. But I said, I don't feel they create for others the way Nash did. I've obviously not watched as much of him as you two, but i've watched a lot of him.
Like I said, i've always felt PG defense has the least amount of impact on a game compared to other positions
As for his shot, i'm sure Rubio will improve, I mean it's not hard to move up from being a career 356% shooter, but he'll never be part of the 50-40-90 club like Nash was 4 times. I don't ever see him being the elite offensive player that Nash was, but i'd like for him to prove me wrong. This may sound like i'm bashing Rubio but like I said, I really like him, I just don't think I can ever see myself saying Rubio at his best (which is still sometime away) is better than Nash when he was at his best
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 8:33:28 GMT -6
But again, Nash hit his stride pretty late in his career but it was an amazing peak. So who's to say Rubio won't do something similar.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 10, 2013 9:05:50 GMT -6
Nash was amazing at his peak and I don't think Rubio can do it in the same way (50/40/90), but I do however think Rubio has the potential to hit that height of greatness. Rubio has the same vision of the court that Nash does and that's what I think will allow him to get to the next level. With more experience in the NBA and with his team I think Rubio will be an All-Star.
The Minnesota Timberwolves are going to get a lot of fans in the next few years with an All-Star stretch 4 and an All-Star pass first point guard, both of which are fairly uncommon. Im confidant the Wolves are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 9:19:14 GMT -6
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they make the playoffs (if they stay healthy), but heres the thing I was saying about PG defense being the least important.
Rubio-Martin-Brewer/Budinger-Love-Pek
In their starting lineup, I see what has potential to be an excellent offense, but a weak defensive unit. With Budinger out, Corey will add some extra defense to the 1st unit. But I feel they would be on another level if Pek, who is not a bad defender in his own right, takes the next step to becoming a defensive anchor.
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Post by Derek on Oct 10, 2013 9:21:46 GMT -6
Rubio still has a ton to prove before we can compare him to Nash. Like staying on the court for one... We know what Rondo is and that's a very good PG who needs shooters around him. to keep the floor correctly spaced.
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 9:25:43 GMT -6
On another note, it looks like Patrick Beverly is going to end up the starting PG on the Rockets.
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Post by Derek on Oct 10, 2013 9:29:17 GMT -6
On another note, it looks like Patrick Beverly is going to end up the starting PG on the Rockets. That would not excite me as a Rockets fan. Sample size is too small making him look better (remind anyone of Lin in that area). Once the scouting reports show up, he's just another bench PG in the league.
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 9:31:56 GMT -6
I think both Lin & Beverly are both very much bench point guards. But I do like the combo of Beverly/Harden more than Lin/Harden, both offensively and defensively. Let Lin be the first guard off the bench.
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Post by Berlin on Oct 10, 2013 9:32:32 GMT -6
You do realize that Nash was a two-time MVP while Rubio, well, isn't that good. He's fun to watch, but he's all flash with no substance. Nobody turns the ball over while scoring less points or giving less assists than him. He's still young and has lots of potential, but maybe we should lower our expectaions and stop comparing him to the guy who was the best in the sport two seasons in a row.
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Post by Los Angeles on Oct 10, 2013 9:36:47 GMT -6
You do realize that Nash was a two-time MVP while Rubio, well, isn't that good. He's fun to watch, but he's all flash with no substance. Nobody turns the ball over while scoring less points or giving less assists than him. He's still young and has lots of potential, but maybe we should lower our expectaions and stop comparing him to the guy who was the best in the sport two seasons in a row. I still dont think Nash was the best player in basketball during those two years, not even close actually
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 9:40:41 GMT -6
You do realize that Nash was a two-time MVP while Rubio, well, isn't that good. He's fun to watch, but he's all flash with no substance. Nobody turns the ball over while scoring less points or giving less assists than him. He's still young and has lots of potential, but maybe we should lower our expectaions and stop comparing him to the guy who was the best in the sport two seasons in a row. I still dont think Nash was the best player in basketball during those two years, not even close actually I'd say Nash had the best combination of being on a winning team + being a top player. One guy who had an argument for one of those MVPs was Kobe but he was a top player on bad teams, so that took him out the race. Who would you have put in front of him both years? I'd say he atleast deserved one of those awards.
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Post by Derek on Oct 10, 2013 9:42:22 GMT -6
When Rubio is Nash's age, will he have the numbers/accomplishments of Nash? I highly doubt it. Maybe you can compare an aging Nash to Rubio but he is no where near prime Nash (and certainly no Pistol Pete who was a GREAT shooter).
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Post by New York on Oct 10, 2013 9:53:12 GMT -6
I used to watch Pistol Pete's drill tapes all day, everyday.
But yeah I think we can all agree (hopefully) that Steve Nash is an all-time great PG, top 10 or top 5 depending on who you ask, so Rubio has a long way to go if he wants to touch that level or even get close to it.
But like I said, who knows what could happen.
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Post by Derek on Oct 10, 2013 9:57:54 GMT -6
I used to watch Pistol Pete's drill tapes all day, everyday. But yeah I think we can all agree (hopefully) that Steve Nash is an all-time great PG, top 10 or top 5 depending on who you ask, so Rubio has a long way to go if he wants to touch that level or even get close to it. But like I said, who knows what could happen. I still do from time to time.
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Post by Derek on Oct 10, 2013 9:58:09 GMT -6
I will be in the arena named after him tonight.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 10, 2013 22:17:24 GMT -6
When Rubio is Nash's age, will he have the numbers/accomplishments of Nash? I highly doubt it. Maybe you can compare an aging Nash to Rubio but he is no where near prime Nash (and certainly no Pistol Pete who was a GREAT shooter). I compared him to Nash because of their vision of the court and the fact that they are past first point guards. As for him having the numbers/accomplishments of Nash, not everything is measureable by numbers but I think Rubio can have the same impact on a team that Nash did. He just always seems to be improving and I think his style and intensity will allow him to get to the next level. Oh and for him needing to stay health, he tore his ACL, and was recovering from said ACL. That's pretty much the extent of his injuries. All Im saying is I watch a lot of Ricky Rubio and I don't think hes any where near his peak yet. Im more then excited to have him on the Twolves.
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Post by Beijing on Oct 10, 2013 23:27:21 GMT -6
DA BULLS
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Post by New York on Oct 11, 2013 6:40:30 GMT -6
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Post by Tyler on Oct 11, 2013 8:39:46 GMT -6
Lol good old Beasley. Im not sure if he'll ever get it.
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Post by New York on Oct 11, 2013 18:18:51 GMT -6
Melo is cooking but I doubt he plays many more minutes in this game
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 13, 2013 16:26:21 GMT -6
Melo is cooking but I doubt he plays many more minutes in this game Still not sure how good the Knicks are gonna be this year. Btw...change your logo to a good Knicks one.
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Post by New York on Oct 13, 2013 17:40:49 GMT -6
Melo is cooking but I doubt he plays many more minutes in this game Still not sure how good the Knicks are gonna be this year. Btw...change your logo to a good Knicks one. I'm not expecting anything outrageous like a finals appearance but I think a lot of people are short changing them. Also didn't know I was allowed to do that, I see all the former New York's have had this logo. If i'm allowed to i'd definitely want to change it to something better.
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