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Post by London on Sept 16, 2014 6:02:54 GMT -6
Sydney Kings Trade:
Adrian Dantley
Tree Rollins
Bill Russell
Al Attles
Gail Goodrich
Bailey Howell
John Long
Monk Meineke
2024 Kings 1st
Toronto Raptors Trade:
Jerry West
Lee Shaffer
Walt Frazier
Clyde Mayes
Slubodan Subotic
Mike McGee
2025 Raptors 1st
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Post by Beijing on Sept 16, 2014 6:05:54 GMT -6
Ugh
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Post by Brazil on Sept 16, 2014 6:38:08 GMT -6
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Post by Los Angeles on Sept 16, 2014 6:47:02 GMT -6
Puke city
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Post by Derek on Sept 16, 2014 8:21:43 GMT -6
I rarely say one side won huge but think Toronto could have gotten more by offering as pieces.
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Post by Mexico City on Sept 16, 2014 8:47:13 GMT -6
This shows what a success making new gms wait 3 sims is  |
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Post by London on Sept 16, 2014 9:13:17 GMT -6
This shows what a success making new gms wait 3 sims is Maybe we should just fire bomb all vacant franchises and raffle off their assets. Seem to be what most newbs do anyway  |
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Post by Derek on Sept 16, 2014 9:34:50 GMT -6
I still love the concept of Expand 4 / Contract 2 over and over... slow add. Removes lazy GMs (if all are full) ... keeps off-seasons long.  Lol |
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Post by Dave on Sept 16, 2014 10:04:22 GMT -6
I understand wanting to build up a new team, but I would think that all these players would have been able to bring in more if moved individually instead of one package like this. Time will tell I suppose
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Post by Washington on Sept 16, 2014 11:11:08 GMT -6
This shows what a success making new gms wait 3 sims is This, said at the time that if a new gm is going to make a bad trade it won't make a difference if they have to wait 3 sims or not. Bad move for Toronto, what kills it for me is the first added in there for what looks like a rebuilding move, sure Dantley and Rollins are good pieces but like other's have said probably would of gotten better value individually. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 16, 2014 11:22:36 GMT -6
What bothers me most (aside from the fact the winning team is Sydney) is the fact that Raptors said he wasn't going to trade for a while as he felt out the value of the league. Then out of the blue, with no trade block, he sends off everyone except Imhoff. Did anyone receive trade inquiries from Toronto? Or did he just jump on in with this trade?
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Post by Phil Jackson on Sept 16, 2014 11:29:41 GMT -6
What bothers me most (aside from the fact the winning team is Sydney) is the fact that Raptors said he wasn't going to trade for a while as he felt out the value of the league. Then out of the blue, with no trade block, he sends off everyone except Imhoff. Did anyone receive trade inquiries from Toronto? Or did he just jump on in with this trade? Yup, I had no idea he was trading. Anyway, this deal would have been fine without the Raptors first. Need to see if that comes back to haunt him, as it often does for new GMs. Not always though. |
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Post by Berlin on Sept 16, 2014 11:48:55 GMT -6
What bothers me most (aside from the fact the winning team is Sydney) is the fact that Raptors said he wasn't going to trade for a while as he felt out the value of the league. Then out of the blue, with no trade block, he sends off everyone except Imhoff. Did anyone receive trade inquiries from Toronto? Or did he just jump on in with this trade? I agree with Beijing...what bothers me the most is that the winning team is Sydney. Not cool new guy...not cool. |
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Post by Buenos Aires on Sept 16, 2014 11:50:10 GMT -6
But its always fascinating to see how some Gms always squeeze out that additional first in a trade they are already winning.
And I wouldnt be surprised if sydney asked for 2 1sts.
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Post by Bayi on Sept 16, 2014 12:02:22 GMT -6
Guys, we have a sample size of one, so we'd probably better get rid of the three sim rule, obviously.
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Post by Sydney on Sept 16, 2014 12:02:58 GMT -6
Well, if it makes anyone feel any better the last time I had this much support for a trade was when I moved JoJo White for a pre-lottery #3 pick and look how that one turned out!
Anyway, Toronto came to me with an offer, I made some small revisions in a counter and we had a deal. I hate when people say "I didn't know he was trading" -- don't blame someone else because you didn't reach out.
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Post by Beijing on Sept 16, 2014 12:06:15 GMT -6
Well, if it makes anyone feel any better the last time I had this much support for a trade was when I moved JoJo White for a pre-lottery #3 pick and look how that one turned out! Anyway, Toronto came to me with an offer, I made some small revisions in a counter and we had a deal. I hate when people say "I didn't know he was trading" -- don't blame someone else because you didn't reach out. We didn't reach out because he explicitly said he wasn't trading for a while, so other GMs left him alone not knowing when he was ready to trade. |
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Post by Sydney on Sept 16, 2014 12:21:38 GMT -6
Well, if it makes anyone feel any better the last time I had this much support for a trade was when I moved JoJo White for a pre-lottery #3 pick and look how that one turned out! Anyway, Toronto came to me with an offer, I made some small revisions in a counter and we had a deal. I hate when people say "I didn't know he was trading" -- don't blame someone else because you didn't reach out. We didn't reach out because he explicitly said he wasn't trading for a while, so other GMs left him alone not knowing when he was ready to trade. I still don't see how this stopped you from reaching out to express interest, did he block PM or never go on Skype? This just sounds like some excuse for your own negligence to exploring the trade market. |
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Post by Brazil on Sept 16, 2014 12:26:25 GMT -6
I'm surprised that Sydney responded I thought he would have just hid in the shadows until this blows over lol.
As for these revisions was that pretty much I will add John long but I need that first back because John long attributes look amazing?
As much as you make fun of other GM's for bad trades or just completely bashing them to the point that they may want to kill themselves I am so surprised that you got away scott ( no pun intended towards you j scott) free on Skype so far
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Post by Chicago on Sept 16, 2014 12:30:52 GMT -6
We didn't reach out because he explicitly said he wasn't trading for a while, so other GMs left him alone not knowing when he was ready to trade. I still don't see how this stopped you from reaching out to express interest, did he block PM or never go on Skype? This just sounds like some excuse for your own negligence to exploring the trade market. Agreed. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 16, 2014 13:21:26 GMT -6
We didn't reach out because he explicitly said he wasn't trading for a while, so other GMs left him alone not knowing when he was ready to trade. I still don't see how this stopped you from reaching out to express interest, did he block PM or never go on Skype? This just sounds like some excuse for your own negligence to exploring the trade market. My own negligence? Hardly... I wasn't looking to trade for any of his players but as a general rule, if a GM says they aren't trading then I don't waste my time. But when they make a huge trade out of the blue, it's just discouraging because this happens time and again. I'm not the only one who thinks this, I've seen it in almost every trade comment thread where a new GM trades a stud or 3 for not a whole lot. I waited more than 2 weeks after CSKA said he wasn't trading to approach him about taking Zubkov. The point is I don't blame you. You said he approached you with the offer and you countered with a slight tweak. I would've done this trade in your position too. Hell, who wouldn't? What I'm saying is if you say your not trading so you can learn the value of players in the league, and then you do something like this.... It's clear you haven't learned much of anything about player value. |
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Post by davedean on Sept 16, 2014 14:36:38 GMT -6
WHY OH WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the kings 1st for F sakes  |
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Post by craig on Sept 17, 2014 4:42:34 GMT -6
This is a pretty bad move for the Raptors. The part of this that confuses me, did the Raptors even figure out the value of these players? I mean anybody who has been around this league for a while knows this guys can get a lot. I mean I can understand if you don't like having older players and want to go with a younger team, but this is your move? The Raptors started the season 8-13 was this just a panic move? I would hope the Raptors figure out how bad this is and learns going forward.
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Post by Athens on Sept 17, 2014 4:53:37 GMT -6
DO NOT like it for the Raps...
sorry Chris...
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Post by San Francisco on Sept 17, 2014 7:34:13 GMT -6
WHY OH WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the kings 1st for F sakes I had the opposite reaction, but I have the Raptors 2024 |
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Lol
