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Post by London on Sept 17, 2014 7:50:49 GMT -6
WHY OH WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the kings 1st for F sakes  I had the opposite reaction, but I have the Raptors 2024 Wait - the Raptors don't have their pick in 2024 or 2025? How can you rebuild without your picks? |
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Post by Berlin on Sept 17, 2014 7:55:38 GMT -6
I had the opposite reaction, but I have the Raptors 2024 Wait - the Raptors don't have their pick in 2024 or 2025? How can you rebuild without your picks? He's got a plan...just cause you aren't privy to the plan or don't agree with the plan doesn't mean that there isn't a plan. I don't know if that's actually true, but since every new GM says that after trade #1, I figured I'd just throw it in there.  |
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Post by London on Sept 17, 2014 9:28:12 GMT -6
Wait - the Raptors don't have their pick in 2024 or 2025? How can you rebuild without your picks? He's got a plan...just cause you aren't privy to the plan or don't agree with the plan doesn't mean that there isn't a plan. I don't know if that's actually true, but since every new GM says that after trade #1, I figured I'd just throw it in there. Plan = cap space |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Sept 17, 2014 9:35:44 GMT -6
He's got a plan...just cause you aren't privy to the plan or don't agree with the plan doesn't mean that there isn't a plan. I don't know if that's actually true, but since every new GM says that after trade #1, I figured I'd just throw it in there. Plan = cap space You know what they say, cap space wins championships |
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Post by Buenos Aires on Sept 17, 2014 10:02:03 GMT -6
So he doesnt have his 2024 too? My god.
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Post by London on Sept 17, 2014 10:29:36 GMT -6
You know what they say, cap space wins championships Cap Space put up 20/10/4 last year (on a bad squad) |
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Post by San Francisco on Sept 17, 2014 10:38:23 GMT -6
You know what they say, cap space wins championships Cap Space put up 20/10/4 last year (on a bad squad) Tom Chambers says hello |
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Post by Dave on Sept 17, 2014 12:06:20 GMT -6
I love CAP SPACE. I mean he's only got like 24 other teams that can offer their cap space to CAP SPACE but I like those odds
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Post by davedean on Sept 19, 2014 18:43:12 GMT -6
This trade apparently made the Kings worse!!!!!!!  |
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Post by London on Sept 19, 2014 19:08:21 GMT -6
This trade apparently made the Kings worse!!!!!!! Running out a team with 1 guy over 6'8" will do that. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 19, 2014 21:01:51 GMT -6
This trade apparently made the Kings worse!!!!!!! Running out a team with 1 guy over 6'8" will do that. Sonics lean back and laugh hysterically. |
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Post by DESTROYER OF TORONTO on Sept 29, 2014 17:19:02 GMT -6
Raptors 14-4 in last 18 games. ( 3 of those losses by 5 or less). We also beat the Kings this last sim. IMO I won this trade as Kings have been mess since. My Raptors actually have performed well minus those hefty long term contracts. Me dealing my 2025 pick is only thing I regret. I didn't realize how deep some of these drafts could be. Most the JSB or FBB leagues I been in drafts are 5 deep tops... I got the best young players in deal. Dantley / Rollins.... So, no doubt I won this one big time. I have my pick this year and who knows maybe the Kings will struggle next year. " I own 24 Kings). Maybe that pick will end up better than my 2025 pick they got.... I think everyone that called me a idiot for deal should maybe say sorry... Yeah- I dealt my 25 pick. Bad mistake on my part. However, like I said I moved huge contracts, gained the best young player in deal and have been winning since... Lastly, I am not 100% sure I could have got more if I packed guys separately. West / would have been like dealing IMHOFF. Everyone wants him but wants to give up nothing to get him. Frazier- IMO is on a bad contract, and honestly a guy under contract 2 more seasons not sure what I could expect back outside maybe a decent pick or 2 tops. Shaffer- To me is the only guy who had real value in deal. So let's just say I got Dantley for Shaffer- Not too bad right? I got Rollins / 2024 Kings for Frazier!!! Sure Rollins expires; however, I moved a huge contract and got a pick for doing it. West- He again would had lowest value for me as he is a expiring Vet much like Imhoff... ( Based on offers I got for Imhoff). West offers would have been worthless... Where I screwed up was dealing my future pick... Now, though that all could change if that Kings pick turns out to be better than the pick I moved.... I just wanted to recap this deal and get people's opinions now... |
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Post by London on Sept 29, 2014 17:36:42 GMT -6
West and Imhoff have value even if you fail to see it. because you (admittedly) refuse to consider re-signing either of them you are killing their value to you (and the rest of the league since they know they can sign them in FA).
Dantley is alright, and yes, probably the best young piece in the deal (as you didn't give any up so its tough to NOT say that you won that part of it) but he'S a SG who doesn't shoot (or defend) very well and will be getting PAID.
Frazier is more than a bad contract. His contract is the same length at Lee's (two years) and they are both All-Stars.
You took back a lot of bloated expiring (contrary to your believe, capspace =/= value).
And 10/10 times I'd rather control my own destiny than let someone else have run over it.
It's more like you dealt Schaffer/TOR 25 for Dantley (meh) and Frazier for expiring Tree/Kings 24 (another meh). Either keep the picks or deal them, swapping them takes you further from rebuilding.
Did you ever think people are giving you crap offers for Imhoff because you took a crap offer for all these guys while stating you had no intention of bringing him back? Why should anyone pay a lot for a guy you don't value.
Whether you had three good sims or not you still didn't do very well on this trade.
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Post by Seattle on Sept 29, 2014 18:23:27 GMT -6
Raptors 14-4 in last 18 games. ( 3 of those losses by 5 or less). We also beat the Kings this last sim. IMO I won this trade as Kings have been mess since. My Raptors actually have performed well minus those hefty long term contracts. Me dealing my 2025 pick is only thing I regret. I didn't realize how deep some of these drafts could be. Most the JSB or FBB leagues I been in drafts are 5 deep tops... I got the best young players in deal. Dantley / Rollins.... So, no doubt I won this one big time. I have my pick this year and who knows maybe the Kings will struggle next year. " I own 24 Kings). Maybe that pick will end up better than my 2025 pick they got.... I think everyone that called me a idiot for deal should maybe say sorry... Yeah- I dealt my 25 pick. Bad mistake on my part. However, like I said I moved huge contracts, gained the best young player in deal and have been winning since... Lastly, I am not 100% sure I could have got more if I packed guys separately. West / would have been like dealing IMHOFF. Everyone wants him but wants to give up nothing to get him. Frazier- IMO is on a bad contract, and honestly a guy under contract 2 more seasons not sure what I could expect back outside maybe a decent pick or 2 tops. Shaffer- To me is the only guy who had real value in deal. So let's just say I got Dantley for Shaffer- Not too bad right? I got Rollins / 2024 Kings for Frazier!!! Sure Rollins expires; however, I moved a huge contract and got a pick for doing it. West- He again would had lowest value for me as he is a expiring Vet much like Imhoff... ( Based on offers I got for Imhoff). West offers would have been worthless... Where I screwed up was dealing my future pick... Now, though that all could change if that Kings pick turns out to be better than the pick I moved.... I just wanted to recap this deal and get people's opinions now... This is like the dft trade a few seasons ago. Seems to have worked out OK BUT... You could have gotten a lot more for these guys initially. |
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Post by New York on Sept 29, 2014 18:29:51 GMT -6
This is like the dft trade a few seasons ago. Seems to have worked out OK BUT... You could have gotten a lot more for these guys initially. This is basically what I was about to post. In the end, things seemingly worked out but it could've worked out for you a lot more. |
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Post by San Francisco on Sept 29, 2014 18:48:58 GMT -6
I will continue to gladly hold the Raptors first next year there are too many moving parts too read too much into anything one way or another at this point.
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Post by Istanbul on Sept 29, 2014 20:27:28 GMT -6
Alot has happened.
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2014 20:32:49 GMT -6
This is like the dft trade a few seasons ago. Seems to have worked out OK BUT... You could have gotten a lot more for these guys initially. This is basically what I was about to post. In the end, things seemingly worked out but it could've worked out for you a lot more. I'll be the first to admit that the DFT trade wasn't a good deal. It actually only worked because I didn't stop there. I kept trading and moving pieces to get to where I am. I would never consider being done after a trade like this. If you want to compete you can't move everything you have in one swift move. You just can't maximize value this way. |
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Post by New York on Sept 29, 2014 20:53:34 GMT -6
This is basically what I was about to post. In the end, things seemingly worked out but it could've worked out for you a lot more. I'll be the first to admit that the DFT trade wasn't a good deal. It actually only worked because I didn't stop there. I kept trading and moving pieces to get to where I am. I would never consider being done after a trade like this. If you want to compete you can't move everything you have in one swift move. You just can't maximize value this way. It also helps that DFT had a couple sucky TCs after you traded him lol. Training Camp is really random though so no telling if DFT would've continued to develop into a star if he stayed in Beijing. But I do agree that there has to be some type of follow up. But you have to be careful because we've seen certain GMs make those follow up trades and dig themselves even further into a hole. I was similar to you though, I struggled after my Twyman trade when I first joined and ended up having my worst season in this league winning 39 games (although I wasn't here for that full season) but I followed it up with trades that pushed me to 50+ wins the next year couple of years. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2014 21:35:12 GMT -6
I'll be the first to admit that the DFT trade wasn't a good deal. It actually only worked because I didn't stop there. I kept trading and moving pieces to get to where I am. I would never consider being done after a trade like this. If you want to compete you can't move everything you have in one swift move. You just can't maximize value this way. It also helps that DFT had a couple sucky TCs after you traded him lol. Training Camp is really random though so no telling if DFT would've continued to develop into a star if he stayed in Beijing. But I do agree that there has to be some type of follow up. But you have to be careful because we've seen certain GMs make those follow up trades and dig themselves even further into a hole. I was similar to you though, I struggled after my Twyman trade when I first joined and ended up having my worst season in this league winning 39 games (although I wasn't here for that full season) but I followed it up with trades that pushed me to 50+ wins the next year couple of years. Yeah I mean the moves have to be the right ones. I was 18-64 to get DFT. I then went 45-37 with him and Vinko. Traded DFT and went 46-36 then 56-26, and currently 49-16. This team has also never been anything more than a 4 seed which I achieved last season. SO yes, trading for the sake of trading is dangerous or making certain moves can backfire on the team al a Kings in this deal. |
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Post by Seattle on Sept 29, 2014 21:38:23 GMT -6
It also helps that DFT had a couple sucky TCs after you traded him lol. Training Camp is really random though so no telling if DFT would've continued to develop into a star if he stayed in Beijing. But I do agree that there has to be some type of follow up. But you have to be careful because we've seen certain GMs make those follow up trades and dig themselves even further into a hole. I was similar to you though, I struggled after my Twyman trade when I first joined and ended up having my worst season in this league winning 39 games (although I wasn't here for that full season) but I followed it up with trades that pushed me to 50+ wins the next year couple of years. Yeah I mean the moves have to be the right ones. I was 18-64 to get DFT. I then went 45-37 with him and Vinko. Traded DFT and went 46-36 then 56-26, and currently 49-16. This team has also never been anything more than a 4 seed which I achieved last season. SO yes, trading for the sake of trading is dangerous or making certain moves can backfire on the team al a Kings in this deal. Well you've also been lucky with Vinko... he's jumped at least twice. There's a lot of randomness in the system on both sides. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 29, 2014 22:08:52 GMT -6
Yeah I mean the moves have to be the right ones. I was 18-64 to get DFT. I then went 45-37 with him and Vinko. Traded DFT and went 46-36 then 56-26, and currently 49-16. This team has also never been anything more than a 4 seed which I achieved last season. SO yes, trading for the sake of trading is dangerous or making certain moves can backfire on the team al a Kings in this deal. Well you've also been lucky with Vinko... he's jumped at least twice. There's a lot of randomness in the system on both sides. Finders keepers I did hire the coaches and I do set all TC settings myself for each rotational player. Pretty sure I have never liked the settings that "Recommend" gives my key guys. I've also put the right players around him to help him succeed. Just need that next step to carry us through the playoffs. Which reminds me... London, I kept Vinko all four years of his rookie contract which no one (including myself at some points) thought would happen. |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Sept 29, 2014 23:21:15 GMT -6
Well you've also been lucky with Vinko... he's jumped at least twice. There's a lot of randomness in the system on both sides. Finders keepers I did hire the coaches and I do set all TC settings myself for each rotational player. Pretty sure I have never liked the settings that "Recommend" gives my key guys. I've also put the right players around him to help him succeed. Just need that next step to carry us through the playoffs. Which reminds me... London, I kept Vinko all four years of his rookie contract which no one (including myself at some points) thought would happen. Don't let him get to you...I'm sure Seattle will take credit for *finding* JoJo and English too. They had purple potential but he also lucked out. You earned Vinko! Enjoy him! |
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Post by Seattle on Sept 30, 2014 2:30:43 GMT -6
Finders keepers I did hire the coaches and I do set all TC settings myself for each rotational player. Pretty sure I have never liked the settings that "Recommend" gives my key guys. I've also put the right players around him to help him succeed. Just need that next step to carry us through the playoffs. Which reminds me... London, I kept Vinko all four years of his rookie contract which no one (including myself at some points) thought would happen. Don't let him get to you...I'm sure Seattle will take credit for *finding* JoJo and English too. They had purple potential but he also lucked out. You earned Vinko! Enjoy him! I did "find" Jo Jo His potential hasn't changed since I've had him. English's just jumped though so that is fortuitous. |
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Post by Beijing on Sept 30, 2014 6:27:03 GMT -6
Finders keepers I did hire the coaches and I do set all TC settings myself for each rotational player. Pretty sure I have never liked the settings that "Recommend" gives my key guys. I've also put the right players around him to help him succeed. Just need that next step to carry us through the playoffs. Which reminds me... London, I kept Vinko all four years of his rookie contract which no one (including myself at some points) thought would happen. Don't let him get to you...I'm sure Seattle will take credit for *finding* JoJo and English too. They had purple potential but he also lucked out. You earned Vinko! Enjoy him! Oh don't worry, barring some terrible collapse or a really good offer, Vinko will be in Beijing for at least 3 more years |
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