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Post by London on Jul 17, 2015 19:00:26 GMT -6
GM OF THE YEAR
San Antonio (57) BCZ (36) New York (33) London (24) Sydney (23) San Francisco (10) Mexico City (10) San Miguel (8) Moscow (6) Washington (5) Seattle (5) Los Angeles (4) Bayi (2) Harlem (1)
ISIAH THOMAS AWARD
Chicago (20) Toronto (18) Belgrade (11) Detroit (8) Indiana (7) Athens (5) Beijing (4) Milan (2) San Miguel (1) Tel Aviv (1) Brasil (1)
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Post by Berlin on Jul 17, 2015 19:08:41 GMT -6
Congrats to San Antonio...won in a landslide.
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Post by New York on Jul 17, 2015 19:30:36 GMT -6
Congrats San Antonio. I think i've gotten to that spot London and Seattle did a few seasons ago where I need to do something BIG to overcome voter fatigue and I didn't do that last season. Definitely an improved team for you last season. You grabbing the 2nd seed came out of nowhere for a lot of GMs.
Hopefully my Birdsong deal, and some of my trade activity so far allows me to move up some ballots next season.
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Post by Moscow on Jul 17, 2015 19:32:40 GMT -6
Congrats to the winners. Shocked I got a positive review..
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Post by Bayi on Jul 17, 2015 19:40:23 GMT -6
I am AMAZED I didn't get any IT votes for that Magic trade. Was CONVINCED that was going to happen.
I made enough big moves end of last season and into this one, and coupled with what looks to be a major jump in wins, maybe I can win my second next year. I'll even vote!
OF NOTE: Awesome to see BCZ get #2. I feel forever connected to him since we brought the league's first expansion teams into the league, even with the random garbled DMs we might get every once in a while.
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Post by Los Angeles on Jul 17, 2015 20:16:38 GMT -6
So i got 4 points all from myself
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Post by Phil Jackson on Jul 17, 2015 22:17:46 GMT -6
How many is that now Seer? 3? 4?
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Post by Portland on Jul 17, 2015 22:27:42 GMT -6
Congrats to the Spurs...
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Post by Chicago on Jul 17, 2015 22:30:43 GMT -6
How many is that now Seer? 3? 4? First as far as I know.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Jul 17, 2015 22:36:00 GMT -6
How many is that now Seer? 3? 4? First as far as I know. Nah I went and checked an article I wrote awhile back and you won at least in 2017
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Post by San Francisco on Jul 17, 2015 22:36:57 GMT -6
Nah I went and checked an article I wrote awhile back and you won at least in 2017 Expansion?
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Post by Chicago on Jul 17, 2015 22:40:28 GMT -6
Nah I went and checked an article I wrote awhile back and you won at least in 2017 Ok.
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Post by Bayi on Jul 17, 2015 23:03:50 GMT -6
Nah I went and checked an article I wrote awhile back and you won at least in 2017 Who are you again?
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Post by Indiana on Jul 18, 2015 6:12:21 GMT -6
Well done to the winners. May I ask what the IT award is for?
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Post by Berlin on Jul 18, 2015 6:38:11 GMT -6
Nah I went and checked an article I wrote awhile back and you won at least in 2017 Since NY went and did the work on this last season, might as well just update it this season Season # GMOTY IT Season 1 Chicago (Xeneise) N/A Season 2 Towers KK (godsgift) Season 3 Towers KK (godsgift) Season 4 Tehran (craig) Milan (Rockwell) Season 5 Spurs Huskies (Seer) Season 6 Kings Milan (Rockwell) Season 7 Chicago (Xeneise) Buenos Aires (shawncro) / Cairo (GP) Season 8 Belgrade (Coach_D) Buenos Aires (shawncro) Season 9 Seattle Moscow (Best GM Never) Season 10 Berlin Moscow (Best GM Never) Season 11 Harlem (Corey) Moscow (Best GM Never) Season 12 Knicks Milan (davedean) Season 13 Knicks Milan (davedean) Season 14 Warriors Detroit (godsgift) Season 15 Spurs Chicago (Seer)
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Post by San Miguel on Jul 18, 2015 8:21:36 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San Miguel
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Post by New York on Jul 18, 2015 9:18:32 GMT -6
I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Thanks to those who gave me votes for third place. I am glad that I am respected even though I didn't deserve the votes
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Post by Toronto on Jul 18, 2015 9:22:32 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San MiguelHaha I appreciate it but you're preaching to clowns. This vote is the same every year I don't even open the thread usually.
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Post by Los Angeles on Jul 18, 2015 9:23:42 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San MiguelWho was on your IT ballot
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Post by New York on Jul 18, 2015 9:28:38 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San MiguelBut in all seriousness. I'm not sure who I voted for with IT or GMOTY but you have to remember that this award is basically our combination of Executive of the Year and Coach of the Year (since we don't have individual awards for each) like in the NBA. Sometimes it's not the flashy moves or popular moves that get votes. I think the reason why I got GMOTY votes is the same reason Toronto and Chicago got IT votes, production. I wrote an article on Toronto before the season started and projected them as a guaranteed playoff team. They ended up finishing with less wins than the previous year and missing the playoffs. Some people may have voted for Toronto because they don't like him and that's wrong but there was reason for votes. Similarly Chicago added Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson, and a few other pieces and those were all excellent moves but they finished with theh worst record in the league with those players. I think both Seer and GP know I have zero issues with either of them and have never bumped heads with either so I hope neither takes offense to this post but I can see the reasoning for the votes. Should they have finished as the top 2? maybe not. But I do think there was reason for them to receive votes.
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Post by Beijing on Jul 18, 2015 9:32:37 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San MiguelI really don't think that part about Seer and GP is the case. I dont dispute that they good at the part of talent acquisition, but being a GM also includes gameplanning and neither of them are great at it (neither am I but I'm making the case for their votes). I think people also hated the inter trading that happened at the beginning of last season or preseason when they seemingly traded the same or similar sets of players an excessive amount of times. Seer had Ewing, and GP built a team with obvious holes to some GMs and their gameplans suffered for it. So I would have to agree that Seer might actually have deserved the award this year. Just the way it happens. For the record, I didn't vote this year
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Post by Belgrade on Jul 18, 2015 9:34:05 GMT -6
Honestly, people just vote for Seer and GP because for whatever reason they do not like them as GMs/people or maybe their personalities clash. The moves that GP made last year made his team a clear cut playoff team but for whatever reason it was not to be. Seer is a fantastic GM and GP is easily a top 3 talent evaluator in this league. He will breakdown any trade for you and he will be right. But you know it's easy to vote GP because nobody in the league likes him, right? So, I can't think of anybody else lets just check off their names then. I do not care for the GM of the year award because at this point that has just become a question of "Who do I respect most in this league?" rather than who has done the MOST to improve their teams from last season. Spurs and BCZ deserve this 100% but after that it is exactly that. Enjoy your weekend. San MiguelThere's a strong clique-effect in this league. Whether you like that term or not, it's true. It is incredibly immature, but I understand that I am a considered visitor in this league and it's up to the legacy GMs to drive the culture they want. I'll participate in whatever culture you guys lay out, because I think the league is cool and I appreciate the work John and Knicks do. You guys provide an entertaining outlet for everyone that participates. I second SM's comments about losing interest in this voting, and would stretch it out to include participation in the league in general. I came in not knowing much about the game, and I have learned a lot since then (and still need to learn a lot about the game), but seeing voting like this (and being referred to as an irrelevant participant in the league by a committee member) will gradually take anyones interest away. For example, it is difficult to understand how the two GMs on the GM of the Year list that got 10 points received their credit. One came off a championship season by trading their Finals MVP away and was not able to return to the finals. The other maybe made one trade and was never a serious contender? I'm not saying I disagree with either of their approaches to managing their teams, or that their moves weren't the right moves, or that I think they aren't great GM's, but how does it equate to receiving 2027 GM of the Year votes? At the end of the day it's all good, this is all part of the fun of being involved in this type of community - it's never going to be perfect and everyone's not going to agree on everything. But for the time and effort John and Knicks put into the league, I think everyone else can work to make it better.
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Post by San Francisco on Jul 18, 2015 10:19:30 GMT -6
Gp and seer never keep a team together long enough to give it a shot.
Gp has never won more than 42 games and probably won't in the Americas until he builds a bit slower.
Seer just trades a ton I have no idea if he is a good coach/gm but time will tell
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Post by San Miguel on Jul 18, 2015 10:28:36 GMT -6
But in all seriousness. I'm not sure who I voted for with IT or GMOTY but you have to remember that this award is basically our combination of Executive of the Year and Coach of the Year (since we don't have individual awards for each) like in the NBA. Sometimes it's not the flashy moves or popular moves that get votes. I think the reason why I got GMOTY votes is the same reason Toronto and Chicago got IT votes, production. I wrote an article on Toronto before the season started and projected them as a guaranteed playoff team. They ended up finishing with less wins than the previous year and missing the playoffs. Some people may have voted for Toronto because they don't like him and that's wrong but there was reason for votes. Similarly Chicago added Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson, and a few other pieces and those were all excellent moves but they finished with theh worst record in the league with those players. I think both Seer and GP know I have zero issues with either of them and have never bumped heads with either so I hope neither takes offense to this post but I can see the reasoning for the votes. Should they have finished as the top 2? maybe not. But I do think there was reason for them to receive votes. I agree with you New York and I know game planning also comes into this. You are at least in my opinion one of the best GMs in the league and I believe I have let you know of that in the past (and I believe I may have had you in my top 5). I just think San Antonio and BCZ deserved it for obvious reasons but I also voted for Washington who was hovering around the .500 mark then made a trade for McHale and they went on a huge run. Seattle who as usual with his expertise in game planning used a lesser talented squad then he has had in years to 55 wins. Not to mention guys like Sydney and LA. I will make clear guys I have nothing against any of you, I consider you all my friends (especially New York who I think is just a straight up amazing human being). I am just trying to entertain you guys on a reward that has seemed to have lost its lustre over a rather slow weekend for myself lol. San Miguel
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Post by San Francisco on Jul 18, 2015 11:09:30 GMT -6
For example, it is difficult to understand how the two GMs on the GM of the Year list that got 10 points received their credit. One came off a championship season by trading their Finals MVP away and was not able to return to the finals. The other maybe made one trade and was never a serious contender? I'm not saying I disagree with either of their approaches to managing their teams, or that their moves weren't the right moves, or that I think they aren't great GM's, but how does it equate to receiving 2027 GM of the Year votes? Yes I did take a risk and traded my 2nd best player (Sampson was my best player) for a package of assets because long term I could not keep that full roster together and I knew I would be able to package some of those pieces along with other things for another piece that was a better long term fit. I had no idea I would end up landing Stockton but it was a long term move and in the short term I won a division with 3 teams with 50+ wins and played the Knicks tough in the 2nd round. The point is it was a long term move withouth much drop in short term performance and now I will take my chances on a team built around Stockton Sampson Alvin Kenny etc. Yes there is always more work to do and everybody approached it differently. As far as how I vote for these things since my first post didn't really clarify that: For GMOTY I look at the following things: Did they improve their roster? Did the improvements fit their roster and produce results? Did the moves impact the team short or long term negatively? i.e. does there appear to be a plan. I don't consider: What the team did in the playoffs bc my understanding is that it is supposed to be based on your off season through the regular season. Straight up record. If you won 60 games and did nothing to improve your team you are probably not going to get a vote from me Straigt up talent acquisition: If you acquired a ton of talent but it doesn't fit or the team doesn't play well you are probably not going to get a vote for me For IT I look at: How bad was the team record wise. Did the team imo underachieve Does the team seem to have a plan short or long term. Basically if I don't think you have a plan you are automatically under consideration. What does the future look like. Maybe you won 28-34 games but traded away your vets for assets, have a couple nice young players and somehow stayed out of the top 3 and positioned yourself for a good pick. Figured a clarification was deserved As far as GP and Seer they are two of my favorite GM's. Both are entertaining and always fun to bounce ideas off of if I want a very different perspective than my own. We don't end up making a ton of trades, but esp. with GP we talk fairly often about thing. I am looking forward to seeing what GP does with Toronto he seems to have a plan he is committed to and is being patient. In that division they could be a sleeping giant that awakens soon. With Seer as I said the jury is still out. He loves to trade he has a track record of building good teams in the past but he is also in one of, if not the toughest division in the league it will take some work to crawl out of 4th place imo.
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