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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 9:35:47 GMT -6
HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
We're not simming the rest of the draft, yet.
I want this to be the place where people can say "I'm ready - I don't care who else I get" so we can keep a count. We won't just do it when we hit 50% or anything but if we get to 75-80% of the GMs we'll probably let the CPU choose our scrubs.
Vote NO until you are willing to let the CPU make the rest of your picks.
Feel free to debate it too. Arguments can be made both ways.
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 9:37:22 GMT -6
**FOR THE RECORD**
If anyone doesn't want to worry about sending in a list everyday or being at the draft or even checking in all the time to see if you are on the clock you can send me a list of all the players you want left and I'll choose them in that order for you.
Just in case.
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Post by majorrajor on Apr 25, 2013 9:44:09 GMT -6
I temporarily voted yes, but I haven't looked at the remaining players. How many rounds are left?
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 9:48:11 GMT -6
8-9  I'd be shocked if we didn't get 100% of the way through the 7th before we even have 50% on this vote. |
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Post by majorrajor on Apr 25, 2013 9:56:14 GMT -6
How about drafting 6-7 rounds and simming the rest? That way we have a choice on all of our main rotation guys.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Apr 25, 2013 10:00:15 GMT -6
I am voting no until the end of round 7.
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 10:00:33 GMT -6
How about drafting 6-7 rounds and simming the rest? That way we have a choice on all of our main rotation guys. Well, I'm for it (since, I've voted YES), but I think you'll find other teams (CSP Limoges, Detroit, etc) who made a lot of trades and have nothing on their rosters yet. Some teams just made 1-2 trades and still may be finding starters in the 6th round. I like your range but I think some GMs will have a very good argument to delay it and other GMs may support them. I personally think by Round 9 people will be getting bored with it but I want to track that interest so I know when it turns. |
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 10:01:37 GMT -6
I am voting no until the end of round 7. Cool. Remember to come back and change you pick when your opinion on it has changed. That goes double for everyone else! |
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Post by Derek on Apr 25, 2013 10:03:10 GMT -6
I have 3 players and a pick in 8... As we approach 10 I will look over to see if there are guys I want. Only then would I even come close to consider CPU'n this draft. I would prefer to select every player on my roster!
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Post by Detroit on Apr 25, 2013 10:36:12 GMT -6
I vote to let us finish ALL rounds of the draft manually. You'll probably need time to create the coaches, edit the ratings, etc. and we don't want to rush you. Plus, I'm sure the CPU will pick up a 37-year old impact player for my team who'll help me win 35 wins, putting me in no man's land. Unless there's a way to tell CPU to specifically draft youth.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 25, 2013 10:41:13 GMT -6
I voted yes...after my next pick (which is whenever Dave logs in and gets out of my way), my next pick is in 40 some picks. By then, we will literally be down to orange/orange, red/orange and red/red players. Do I care which 29 year old orange/orange center who might someday aspire become a 4 minute a game bench player for me I get? No I do not...CPU it after round 7 I say...
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Post by Madrid on Apr 25, 2013 10:42:30 GMT -6
Not yet. I'd be open after my 8th round pick, because then I can have an 8-man rotation set. As of now we still have a few solid players out there and quite a lot of specialty players. After round 8 or 9, though, it'll really be slim pickings. I definitely don't want to go all the way to 15.
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Post by Dave on Apr 25, 2013 10:59:04 GMT -6
I voted no for now, but honestly I don't think there will be anybody else I care about come the end of next round.
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Post by Joe on Apr 25, 2013 11:09:04 GMT -6
I definitely vote no for now. And my vote would be no until every person has no interest in any of the guys left. I don't really understand the reason to rush through this when we still have a lot of things to figure out with the league and how its going to work. Just because I traded my earlier picks I should still have a chance to pick my starting lineup and someone else should be able to pick their 10th man if they want. If you don't wanna pick then we can just cpu it anyway.
I understand one argument is that we should because we have had a poor showing at the past rounds. I think thats a bad reason to take the easy way out. Just because a handful of gms (or more, doesn't really matter) didn't do a good job being at the draft, doesn't mean the rest of us should have the right to take who we want away from us.
Bad + Bad doesn't make a good league in my opinion. Now if we literally get to the point where no player even has a chance of ever playing or doing anything for anyone and everyone wants to sim it, I would have no problem then.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 25, 2013 11:37:28 GMT -6
Detroit, here is a simplified counter argument.
1. Many of the things that "need to be figured out" can't be done until after the draft is completed, so its not like slowing down will help out more or less.
2. We had three people show for the draft last night - 3, 10% of the league, and one of them didn't have a pick. And that was for the 5th round, where picks still matter. I'm all for letting people have their fair share and what not, but in the same vein, if no one is going to show up, why should John have to sift through 28 lists (or more realistically, less than half that) just so you can make your one pick?
Honestly, I'm playing devil's advocate, and my argument is overly simplified. But at the same time, if 25 GMs vote to in round 9 or 10 to sim their teams, don't expect to have us hold things up because you and Drew decided to trade all your early picks because you wanted a bunch of future 1sts...it doesn't mean its a bad league or it is being run poorly. It means you made a gamble with your team and sometimes things get done a way you don't necessarily agree with.
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Post by Tel Aviv on Apr 25, 2013 11:40:38 GMT -6
I wouldnt be against simming the rest after round 7 or maybe 8. Which is what a few people are saying here, maybe we should get to then and see whos left in the draft and how people feel about it then.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 25, 2013 11:43:15 GMT -6
I wouldnt be against simming the rest after round 7 or maybe 8. Which is what a few people are saying here, maybe we should get to then and see whos left in the draft and how people feel about it then. That's why John put this up now...even he doesn't really want to sim now, but people can change their votes at the top as they are ready to let their team be simmed...once the balance swings far enough with leaguewide support, then we'd consider doing it. But he wanted to float a test balloon and get the debate going now since it came up in the chat last night... |
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 11:46:59 GMT -6
I vote to let us finish ALL rounds of the draft manually. You'll probably need time to create the coaches, edit the ratings, etc. and we don't want to rush you. Plus, I'm sure the CPU will pick up a 37-year old impact player for my team who'll help me win 35 wins, putting me in no man's land. Unless there's a way to tell CPU to specifically draft youth. You really think there is some impact player (37 y/o or not) left in the draft at Round 8-9? If you do, tell me who it is and I'll select him because I (and 20 other teams) are trying to stockpile talent - age not important. |
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Post by Berlin on Apr 25, 2013 11:50:36 GMT -6
I vote to let us finish ALL rounds of the draft manually. You'll probably need time to create the coaches, edit the ratings, etc. and we don't want to rush you. Plus, I'm sure the CPU will pick up a 37-year old impact player for my team who'll help me win 35 wins, putting me in no man's land. Unless there's a way to tell CPU to specifically draft youth. You really think there is some impact player (37 y/o or not) left in the draft at Round 8-9? If you do, tell me who it is and I'll select him because I (and 20 other teams) are trying to stockpile talent - age not important. Heck, give me the name now...I'll probably have to grab him midway through the 7th... |
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -6
I definitely vote no for now. And my vote would be no until every person has no interest in any of the guys left. I don't really understand the reason to rush through this when we still have a lot of things to figure out with the league and how its going to work. Just because I traded my earlier picks I should still have a chance to pick my starting lineup and someone else should be able to pick their 10th man if they want. If you don't wanna pick then we can just cpu it anyway. I understand one argument is that we should because we have had a poor showing at the past rounds. I think thats a bad reason to take the easy way out. Just because a handful of gms (or more, doesn't really matter) didn't do a good job being at the draft, doesn't mean the rest of us should have the right to take who we want away from us. Bad + Bad doesn't make a good league in my opinion. Now if we literally get to the point where no player even has a chance of ever playing or doing anything for anyone and everyone wants to sim it, I would have no problem then. To be perfectly honest, I'm not holding up the entire league for 2 teams who decided not to draft. You kinda gave up any idea of "building a team" by trading away ALL of your picks. If your squad is full of orange and red guys it won't matter who they are and it's not like any of them will be on your team in 2 seasons. You'll have plenty of picks in the future that you can make - creation draft or not. I'm not arguing that it was because of poor turnout to the draft but because after another 2-3 rounds (tops) they are just stiffs with names stitched on to their shirts. Plus, Plossl's right, scheduling 2 hours every night (out of my day) to process this draft "live" is a colossal waste of my time when I have other things going on. The rest of you have it easy - send in a list and walk away. That's no so easy for some of us who have to process this stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 11:55:27 GMT -6
You've all successfully convinced me.
I'm changing me vote to Yes.
Sim it.
Now.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 25, 2013 12:02:01 GMT -6
You've all successfully convinced me. I'm changing me vote to Yes. Sim it. Now. Done...though something went wrong and Wilt got traded to Berlin. Don't ask me, blame London. |
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Post by Royale on Apr 25, 2013 12:04:22 GMT -6
same, sim it all!
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Post by London on Apr 25, 2013 12:05:46 GMT -6
Plossl, haha.. love it!
Just wondering, anyone have a major objection to doing away with the Live Draft and just doing the rest of the picks on the board?
If someone doesn't wanna be responsible for their pick on the board they can send me a list and I'll pick the top player from that list. Then that won't be so personally time consuming.
Thoughts?
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Post by Derek on Apr 25, 2013 12:07:17 GMT -6
I've been for the board draft all along. Still so much to be figured out. Rushing to get it done then running into a stand still is no better than a 2 week board draft.
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