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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 12:49:16 GMT -6
Post by London on Oct 21, 2014 12:49:16 GMT -6
Belgrade Deals:
Jerry West
Dell Curry
for
Moscow Deals:
Victor Zubkov
Moscow 2026 1st
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Post by New York on Oct 21, 2014 13:01:49 GMT -6
ugh CSKA finally had all his first back after his early trades. I thought things were looking up.
That is all i'll say since I try to avoid bashing trades
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 13:01:59 GMT -6
Post by Best GM Never. on Oct 21, 2014 13:01:59 GMT -6
So why is this a bad deal? Becuase I sent my 1st? Thought it was a fair deal. Not a deal where I lost.
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Post by Beijing on Oct 21, 2014 13:06:32 GMT -6
If your team was good then this may not be a bad deal. But the rest of your team is garbage with no real way of improving. So your 2026 1st projects very highly.
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Post by San Francisco on Oct 21, 2014 13:09:33 GMT -6
West is still talented he is also really overpaid on a bad contract for his age (pretty much panned by everybody as a signing) and he will be 35 when that contract ends. IF he holds up for 2 seasons he is a nice addition but the problem is that pick is 3 seasons from now. Just seems like a big gamble when you have a lot of needs on your roster. I truly hope it works out for you but if I was in your spot I would never be moving my picks until the record improves quite a bit
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 13:11:24 GMT -6
Post by London on Oct 21, 2014 13:11:24 GMT -6
So why is this a bad deal? Becuase I sent my 1st? Thought it was a fair deal. Not a deal where I lost. West is old, expensive, and you have nothing to put with him. You should have waited it out and started rebuilding with your picks. Now you need to wait another 3 seasons before you can get going in the right direction. |
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Post by New York on Oct 21, 2014 13:16:05 GMT -6
I know I said I wouldn't add anything else but I don't think it's just Jerry's age or contract. It's not like he put up all-star numbers last season so there is no way i'm trading a potential lotto pick for him. He put up:
15 - 7 on 42% shooting, I think you can find that for cheaper than a potential lotto pick.
CSKA has given up his past three draft picks if I'm not mistaken. Those picks have turned into:
Beerman (via CSKA) - Shawn Kemp
Pacers (via CSKA) - Benji Wilson
Titans (via CSKA) - James Worthy
I think at some point you should say, maybe I should hold onto my picks. In certain situations moving your picks is fine. For example, I very rarely hold onto my picks but that's because I feel I can net more via trade with my pick than I could in the draft. I just think if you have given up 3 players with all star potential in teh past 3 drafts, you should slow down on moving your picks.
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Post by Bayi on Oct 21, 2014 13:29:23 GMT -6
I know I said I wouldn't add anything else but I don't think it's just Jerry's age or contract. It's not like he put up all-star numbers last season so there is no way i'm trading a potential lotto pick for him. He put up: 15 - 7 on 42% shooting, I think you can find that for cheaper than a potential lotto pick. CSKA has given up his past three draft picks if I'm not mistaken. Those picks have turned into: Beerman (via CSKA) - Shawn Kemp Pacers (via CSKA) - Benji Wilson Titans (via CSKA) - James Worthy I think at some point you should say, maybe I should hold onto my picks. In certain situations moving your picks is fine. For example, I very rarely hold onto my picks but that's because I feel I can net more via trade with my pick than I could in the draft. I just think if you have given up 3 players with all star potential in teh past 3 drafts, you should slow down on moving your picks. I will say this, though: the players picked with CSKA's picks are all players I'm not impressed with. So maybe THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG!!! |
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Post by New York on Oct 21, 2014 13:45:38 GMT -6
I will say this, though: the players picked with CSKA's picks are all players I'm not impressed with. So maybe THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG!!! Outside of the Titans one each of those picks were traded for a better player than he got though. Not saying he would've been able to pull off the same trades but: for the Shawn Kemp one he got Lou hudson, Ira harge, 2022 bulls 1st, 2024 Bulls 1st, 2024 Buls 2nd while also trading Billy Cunningham. That pick was traded a few times around the draft. Once for Dennis Rodman + Reggie Miller, and once for David Robinson (obviously there was more involved). He traded the Benji pick for Larry Nance. Benji would get traded twice, once for Oscar Robertson and once for Elvin Hayes. Despite how anyone feels about those actual trades, I think it's safe to say they are more valuable than Nance. |
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 13:45:55 GMT -6
Post by Beijing on Oct 21, 2014 13:45:55 GMT -6
I know I said I wouldn't add anything else but I don't think it's just Jerry's age or contract. It's not like he put up all-star numbers last season so there is no way i'm trading a potential lotto pick for him. He put up: 15 - 7 on 42% shooting, I think you can find that for cheaper than a potential lotto pick. CSKA has given up his past three draft picks if I'm not mistaken. Those picks have turned into: Beerman (via CSKA) - Shawn Kemp Pacers (via CSKA) - Benji Wilson Titans (via CSKA) - James Worthy I think at some point you should say, maybe I should hold onto my picks. In certain situations moving your picks is fine. For example, I very rarely hold onto my picks but that's because I feel I can net more via trade with my pick than I could in the draft. I just think if you have given up 3 players with all star potential in teh past 3 drafts, you should slow down on moving your picks. I will say this, though: the players picked with CSKA's picks are all players I'm not impressed with. So maybe THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG!!! League-wide sabotage!?!?! |
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 14:14:03 GMT -6
Post by Dave on Oct 21, 2014 14:14:03 GMT -6
Ugh this trade blows. Just when you think CSKA can't get much worse this happens. West is very quickly dropping off the last year or so and he's never been a huge production guy. He needs pieces around him and he does not have that here. Puke
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Post by Bayi on Oct 21, 2014 14:23:00 GMT -6
who voted for CSKA time to make all votes public
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 14:29:01 GMT -6
Post by New York on Oct 21, 2014 14:29:01 GMT -6
Lol I thought it was a joke vote by you since it popped up right after your first comment.
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 14:45:21 GMT -6
Post by Los Angeles on Oct 21, 2014 14:45:21 GMT -6
Wow, I couldnt even get a response to my PM and this happens, yeesh, i think it might be time for some serious contraction talks, idk if theres any other way to salvage this situation
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 14:55:33 GMT -6
Post by Sydney on Oct 21, 2014 14:55:33 GMT -6
who voted for CSKA time to make all votes public It was me and a complete troll vote. |
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davedean
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Post by davedean on Oct 21, 2014 15:27:11 GMT -6
LOL KK sent me this exact offer for West. My response was GOD NO.
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Post by Buenos Aires on Oct 21, 2014 15:43:57 GMT -6
As soon as I saw A Cska trade and a trade comment trade, I knew something was up.
Why is this bad Cska, you ask? Because u traded a 1st in 2026 and West instantly becomes your best player at the age of 30. Or 31? The fact that West is your best player while declining, should concern you. There is an obvious lack of plan. If u had 4 viable starters and missing a PG, then yeah, this would be a good trade for you. Trading your first to have approximately 5-8 wins more ( if so ) in the nesxt two seasons and handing out another lotto to another team? Yeah it s bad
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 21, 2014 16:15:54 GMT -6
I almost sent an offer to CSKA for this pick, and then I said to myself, "No, there is no way they guy who finished withe the 4th worst record and got worse over the offseason trades another pick".
Oops.
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 16:39:41 GMT -6
Post by San Francisco on Oct 21, 2014 16:39:41 GMT -6
I almost sent an offer to CSKA for this pick, and then I said to myself, "No, there is no way they guy who finished withe the 4th worst record and got worse over the offseason trades another pick". Oops. Ditto |
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Brazil
Assistant to the General Manager
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Post by Brazil on Oct 21, 2014 16:41:21 GMT -6
man are you another one of kk's brothers?
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KK/CSKA
Oct 21, 2014 16:50:50 GMT -6
Post by Chicago on Oct 21, 2014 16:50:50 GMT -6
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Post by Bayi on Oct 22, 2014 8:13:12 GMT -6
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KK/CSKA
Oct 22, 2014 8:19:45 GMT -6
Post by Derek on Oct 22, 2014 8:19:45 GMT -6
Get it right... #FireMoscow |
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KK/CSKA
Oct 22, 2014 9:11:28 GMT -6
Post by Sydney on Oct 22, 2014 9:11:28 GMT -6
Get it right... #FireMoscow Stop copping my style, it's #firekings |
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KK/CSKA
Oct 22, 2014 9:23:13 GMT -6
Post by Derek on Oct 22, 2014 9:23:13 GMT -6
Get it right... #FireMoscow Stop copping my style, it's #firekings I been bout that hashtag life... #BoutThatLife |
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