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Post by Portland on Apr 14, 2015 8:32:40 GMT -6
Curious to know what the league gms think about this.
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Post by Sydney on Apr 14, 2015 9:00:52 GMT -6
I went with option #1 - just the allocations make sense to me.
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Post by Derek on Apr 14, 2015 9:16:27 GMT -6
I went with option #1 - just the allocations make sense to me. Yeah, went here. Jumps and deaths are exaggerated ... sometimes a player was a fringe A/B potential player and jumps up 2-3 points and looks like a jump. Meanwhile another player drops 2-3 and goes from A to B and looks like a death. |
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Post by New York on Apr 14, 2015 9:24:50 GMT -6
None of these are the correct allocations but the closest is probably the 2nd one. I've done test and drops happen more often then jumps.
I don't have time to go in depth but that is the one thing i can say for certain.
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Post by Seattle on Apr 14, 2015 9:30:26 GMT -6
None of these are the correct allocations but the closest is probably the 2nd one. I've done test and drops happen more often then jumps. I don't have time to go in depth but that is the one thing i can say for certain. What that guy said |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 9:46:16 GMT -6
I have no idea what the real numbers are but I would believe whatever NYK and SEA said on the subject. I think they know more about TC than most.
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Post by Portland on Apr 14, 2015 9:50:48 GMT -6
None of these are the correct allocations but the closest is probably the 2nd one. I've done test and drops happen more often then jumps. I don't have time to go in depth but that is the one thing i can say for certain. What people think happens is almost as interesting to me as what actually happens. I know far less about this than most here but my suspicion is along the lines of what Derek said about bumps and deaths being exaggerated. |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Apr 14, 2015 10:32:51 GMT -6
I'd guess in any given year
10% significant jump
50% modest improvement
25% modest decline (older players)
15% significant drop "death"
I think there are a lot more deaths than people realize. Look at AC Green for example
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 10:49:32 GMT -6
I'd guess in any given year 10% significant jump 50% modest improvement 25% modest decline (older players) 15% significant drop "death" I think there are a lot more deaths than people realize. Look at AC Green for example To be fair AC was also the recipient of at least one "jump" |
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Post by Derek on Apr 14, 2015 10:54:56 GMT -6
I'd guess in any given year 10% significant jump 50% modest improvement 25% modest decline (older players) 15% significant drop "death" I think there are a lot more deaths than people realize. Look at AC Green for example To be fair AC was also the recipient of at least one "jump" See, I view it as a guy who was fringe an fell slightly one way then other. Makes it look drastic when color changes from G to B or a few ratings from B to A then vice versa but ultimately they are the same caliber player. |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 11:08:37 GMT -6
To be fair AC was also the recipient of at least one "jump" See, I view it as a guy who was fringe an fell slightly one way then other. Makes it look drastic when color changes from G to B or a few ratings from B to A then vice versa but ultimately they are the same caliber player. That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. |
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Post by Sydney on Apr 14, 2015 12:09:27 GMT -6
See, I view it as a guy who was fringe an fell slightly one way then other. Makes it look drastic when color changes from G to B or a few ratings from B to A then vice versa but ultimately they are the same caliber player. That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. What are the rating scales for Current & Potential? I believe NYK had posted this in skype but it would be good to have documented here. |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 12:14:05 GMT -6
That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. What are the rating scales for Current & Potential? I believe NYK had posted this in skype but it would be good to have documented here. Depends on your scout. A 81-100+ B 61-80 C 41-60 D 21-40 F 0-20 That's for potential. For current/shaded grades just divide those numbers into thirds and that should get you into the ballpark. |
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Post by Seattle on Apr 14, 2015 12:16:11 GMT -6
See, I view it as a guy who was fringe an fell slightly one way then other. Makes it look drastic when color changes from G to B or a few ratings from B to A then vice versa but ultimately they are the same caliber player. That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. For a younger guy... the drop would be more severe than that. |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 12:25:36 GMT -6
That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. For a younger guy... the drop would be more severe than that. Part of that may be due to scouting. Do you find larger drops than a few points per category when you've test it on "younger guys"? |
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Post by Seattle on Apr 14, 2015 12:43:40 GMT -6
For a younger guy... the drop would be more severe than that. Part of that may be due to scouting. Do you find larger drops than a few points per category when you've test it on "younger guys"? Unless our league functions differently for some reason... a single player game where you can actually look at the numbers show pretty severe drops it seems |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 12:52:12 GMT -6
Part of that may be due to scouting. Do you find larger drops than a few points per category when you've test it on "younger guys"? Unless our league functions differently for some reason... a single player game where you can actually look at the numbers show pretty severe drops it seems I honestly don't know. I haven't played a single player game since I was beta testing and even then I wasn't focused on the TC results. |
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Post by New York on Apr 14, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -6
That's probably accurate with most of these guys. The "A" potential looks great but it may be only an 81-83 (A rating) and if it dips to 77-79 (B rating) pepole worry that the sky is falling. There are a lot of knee jerk reactions when it comes to TCs in this league. I'd say that of the NBA too. 2nd and 3rd year guys lose a lot of luster if they aren't already all-stars. What are the rating scales for Current & Potential? I believe NYK had posted this in skype but it would be good to have documented here. For the attributes: 5 = F- 6-10 = F 11-15 = F+ 16-20 = D- 21-25 = D 26-30 = D+ 31-38 = C- 39-52 = C 53-60 = C+ 61-65 = B- 66-70 = B 71-75 = B+ 76-85 = A- 86-95 = A 96-100 = A+ For the potential: 00-20 = F 21-40 = D 41-60 = C 61-80 = B 81-100 = A |
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Post by New York on Apr 14, 2015 13:12:34 GMT -6
None of these are the correct allocations but the closest is probably the 2nd one. I've done test and drops happen more often then jumps. I don't have time to go in depth but that is the one thing i can say for certain. What people think happens is almost as interesting to me as what actually happens. I know far less about this than most here but my suspicion is along the lines of what Derek said about bumps and deaths being exaggerated. I'll be home in a bit to elaborate but what I said isn't something I "think" it's something I know from testing with this game. Whether or not you trust that is up to you though. Also all the stuff Seattle has said in here is accurate |
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Post by Seattle on Apr 14, 2015 13:38:17 GMT -6
What people think happens is almost as interesting to me as what actually happens. I know far less about this than most here but my suspicion is along the lines of what Derek said about bumps and deaths being exaggerated. I'll be home in a bit to elaborate but what I said isn't something I "think" it's something I know from testing with this game. Whether or not you trust that is fine though. Also all the stuff Seattle has said in here is accurate Shhhh |
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Post by San Francisco on Apr 14, 2015 13:39:20 GMT -6
I'll be home in a bit to elaborate but what I said isn't something I "think" it's something I know from testing with this game. Whether or not you trust that is fine though. Also all the stuff Seattle has said in here is accurate Shhhh the librarian agrees shhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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Post by London on Apr 14, 2015 13:43:12 GMT -6
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