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Post by Berlin on Oct 15, 2014 10:57:28 GMT -6
Berlin Trades:
Oscar Robertson
KK PartiZan Trades:
Benji Wilson
New York 2024 1st round pick
Thoughts? Concerns?
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 15, 2014 10:58:40 GMT -6
Berlin destroys this trade
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Post by Chicago on Oct 15, 2014 11:25:20 GMT -6
Berlin destroys this trade There was a time you liked older players and disagreed with the youth-centric focus of most teams.. Benji is good now, he could also bust or stall... His production was wildly inflated as well. I still like this deal for ALBA, and the 1st was totally unnecessary and I'm positive the deal would've been done without it, however I don't think KK got destroyed. We won't know that until we see at least a few more seasons from Benji. |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 15, 2014 11:49:56 GMT -6
Berlin destroys this trade There was a time you liked older players and disagreed with the youth-centric focus of most teams.. Benji is good now, he could also bust or stall... His production was wildly inflated as well. I still like this deal for ALBA, and the 1st was totally unnecessary and I'm positive the deal would've been done without it, however I don't think KK got destroyed. We won't know that until we see at least a few more seasons from Benji. KK, despite making the finals two years ago, is lightyears away from having a contending squad. I do agree with you that my style has shifted from older to young, and maybe that's not right, given I haven't won a title since, but I still don't think this move will come close to working out for KK. |
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Post by San Francisco on Oct 15, 2014 11:52:04 GMT -6
It carries some risk for Berlin as well Seattle owns his 2025 first
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Post by Sydney on Oct 15, 2014 13:35:51 GMT -6
Looks like KK has to trade himself back the pieces he loaned to Philly last off-season.
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Post by Derek on Oct 15, 2014 13:37:57 GMT -6
Looks like KK has to trade himself back the pieces he loaned to Philly last off-season. Maybe I was just getting Oscar so I could send him to Philly!? |
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Post by Brazil on Oct 15, 2014 15:59:00 GMT -6
Berlin all the way
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Post by Bayi on Oct 15, 2014 20:55:23 GMT -6
I don't care about Benji Wilson, honestly. Until my scout sees him as more than LITERALLY GREEN in his current talent, I put little stock into his purple potential.
That being said, it was a deal that probably needed to be made. The pick won't be much, as I doubt NY falls apart with his current roster, so it's like "Oscar's Giant Contract" for "Two players with mid-first talent". Even.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 15, 2014 22:53:27 GMT -6
I don't care about Benji Wilson, honestly. Until my scout sees him as more than LITERALLY GREEN in his current talent, I put little stock into his purple potential. That being said, it was a deal that probably needed to be made. The pick won't be much, as I doubt NY falls apart with his current roster, so it's like "Oscar's Giant Contract" for "Two players with mid-first talent". Even. Benji has about as much talent and potential as Kemp did who got taken at 4. Benj went 6. he might not pan out, but he's better than mid-first talent, and if Plossl had traded oscar for #4 + Knicks 1st, people would be praising him even more than they are |
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Post by Chicago on Oct 15, 2014 23:10:37 GMT -6
I don't care about Benji Wilson, honestly. Until my scout sees him as more than LITERALLY GREEN in his current talent, I put little stock into his purple potential. That being said, it was a deal that probably needed to be made. The pick won't be much, as I doubt NY falls apart with his current roster, so it's like "Oscar's Giant Contract" for "Two players with mid-first talent". Even. Benji has about as much talent and potential as Kemp did who got taken at 4. Benj went 6. he might not pan out, but he's better than mid-first talent, and if Plossl had traded oscar for #4 + Knicks 1st, people would be praising him even more than they are My scout likes Kemp a fair bit more than Benji. Also, Ralph Sampson for example has better quickness than Benji. Benji's potential scoring ratings look great. Looking into the rest of his ratings, athleticism and potential though, I'm not blown away. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier I still see it as a win for Berlin. Just not nearly as lopsided as some. |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Oct 16, 2014 0:00:55 GMT -6
Benji has about as much talent and potential as Kemp did who got taken at 4. Benj went 6. he might not pan out, but he's better than mid-first talent, and if Plossl had traded oscar for #4 + Knicks 1st, people would be praising him even more than they are My scout likes Kemp a fair bit more than Benji. Also, Ralph Sampson for example has better quickness than Benji. Benji's potential scoring ratings look great. Looking into the rest of his ratings, athleticism and potential though, I'm not blown away. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier I still see it as a win for Berlin. Just not nearly as lopsided as some. Ralph Sampson is the exception, not the rule. Less than 5 big men in the league have B range quickness. I agree Benji isn't a sure thing or a franchise guy. I guess I'm just down on Oscars value at this point...mostly because KK still needs to build a whole team |
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Post by Chicago on Oct 16, 2014 0:16:17 GMT -6
My scout likes Kemp a fair bit more than Benji. Also, Ralph Sampson for example has better quickness than Benji. Benji's potential scoring ratings look great. Looking into the rest of his ratings, athleticism and potential though, I'm not blown away. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier I still see it as a win for Berlin. Just not nearly as lopsided as some. Ralph Sampson is the exception, not the rule. Less than 5 big men in the league have B range quickness. I agree Benji isn't a sure thing or a franchise guy. I guess I'm just down on Oscars value at this point...mostly because KK still needs to build a whole team Yeah I was just using Ralph as an example, that aside, Benji's quickness is lower than average for a swingman. Maybe even much lower than average for a "star" Sg/Sf? And yes I agree, this deal will only approach fair/even territory if Kk can quickly surround Oscar with talent. |
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Post by Berlin on Oct 16, 2014 2:47:08 GMT -6
Ralph Sampson is the exception, not the rule. Less than 5 big men in the league have B range quickness. I agree Benji isn't a sure thing or a franchise guy. I guess I'm just down on Oscars value at this point...mostly because KK still needs to build a whole team Yeah I was just using Ralph as an example, that aside, Benji's quickness is lower than average for a swingman. Maybe even much lower than average for a "star" Sg/Sf? And yes I agree, this deal will only approach fair/even territory if Kk can quickly surround Oscar with talent. Benji is by no means a sure thing...but his quickness isn't a concern. Of three scouts I checked, two including my own put him at B+ and one has him at A-. League scout is a silly goose... |
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