davedean
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Post by davedean on May 21, 2013 20:28:36 GMT -6
Odds:
Orlando - 25.0%
Charlotte - 19.9%
Cleveland - 15.6%
Phoenix - 11.9%
New Orleans - 8.8%
Sacramento - 6.3%
Detroit - 3.6%
Washington - 3.5%
Minnesota - 1.7%
Portland - 1.1%
Philadelphia - 0.8%
Toronto - 0.7%
Dallas - 0.6%
Utah - 0.5%
RESULTS/DRAFT ORDER
1. Cleveland
2. Orlando
3. Washington
4. Charlotte
5. Phoenix
6. New Orleans
7. Sacramento
8. Detroit
9. Minnesota
10. Portland
11. Philadelphia
12. Oklahoma City (via TOR)
13. Dallas
14. Utah
I'm a raps fan (I know smh) but the Cavs are going to be real good in a couple years
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Post by London on May 21, 2013 21:43:15 GMT -6
I'm a Wolves fan. We can toil together.
We're trading up.
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Tyler
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Post by Tyler on May 21, 2013 23:27:31 GMT -6
Cleveland gets another 1 pick. I suppose they should give them 2 when LeBron is the best player in the world and winning rings with Miami  |
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Post by Berlin on May 22, 2013 15:04:43 GMT -6
lol I was listening to sports talk in DC today, where they were floating a conspiracy theory about how the lottery was rigged to make Cleveland decent enough that Lebron will want to opt out of his current contract when he can, go back to the Cavs and make amends by trying to win there with Kyrie Irving and whoever they pick #1...insanity.
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Post by London on May 22, 2013 15:37:11 GMT -6
There were articles written about a conspiracy theory for each team winning the lotto.
It's crazy.
Congrats to Cleveland. Not sure how good Noel is but he'll be able to pick-up when Varejao leaves off in a year or two. If they get LeBron then LeBron might have a chance at 6-7 rings (or more if he moves to PF).
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Post by Dave on May 22, 2013 18:49:11 GMT -6
Is this draft deep enough that my Thunder will get anything useful at 12? Not that they need an instant starter, but more depth can't hurt a team that should return to the WCF or NBA Finals next season
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davedean
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Post by davedean on May 22, 2013 20:05:01 GMT -6
Thunder fan eh? Sorry my shitty raptors couldn't net you a better pick. And I doubt you're going to get anything great at the 12 spot in this draft, slim pickings this year
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Post by Buenos Aires on May 22, 2013 20:16:54 GMT -6
Thunder fan eh? Sorry my shitty raptors couldn't net you a better pick. And I doubt you're going to get anything great at the 12 spot in this draft, slim pickings this year Even if u get someone decent, I doubt Brooks will be able to get productivity out of him, since, minus Harden who was simply a stud, he isnt a great coach to manage non star young guys. I guess the Thunder can again go back to the wheelchair called Derek Fisher. |
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Post by Dave on May 23, 2013 11:11:28 GMT -6
Thunder fan eh? Sorry my shitty raptors couldn't net you a better pick. And I doubt you're going to get anything great at the 12 spot in this draft, slim pickings this year Even if u get someone decent, I doubt Brooks will be able to get productivity out of him, since, minus Harden who was simply a stud, he isnt a great coach to manage non star young guys. I guess the Thunder can again go back to the wheelchair called Derek Fisher. To be fair about the Harden thing, NOBODY saw his play coming. He disappeared like a small child against Miami in the finals and I think that factored in huge in giving him big money. Not to mention that as long as Moron Brooks is our coach Russell will always play PG so Harden was never going to get the shot to start here. I think with better coaching we could have got better production out of Kevin Martin. He needs minutes and shots to get going, but lets just bring him off the bench instead ALL SEASON!!! I think the WB injury will buy Brooks this upcoming season, but one more underachieving season should finally be the nail in the coffin for him. Hell, I'd axe him now giving that KD and WB are going to have some serious anger over this season and put a coach in that can push them over the limit. Nate Mac, JVG, SVG any will do. Another disappointing loss for KD will have him rabid next season, get a bulldog coach in there to tear him loose! Fisher was brought in solely for his locker room presence, and had to step in when Reggie Jackson was less then stellar in the starters role. Can't see why we sent Maynor packing when at least he is a true PG like Fish but younger. Reggie is just a lesser version of WB, a mediocre ball handler with no experience in big moments. The one thing they need is a big who can score 16ppg consistently. Ibaka is great for his D but I don't want him on the wings, and Perkins is absolute garbage. This will be my last straw on Presti with this offseason and draft. He's been great at drafting players, but terrible in making deals. He needs to take some of this youth and picks and add a vet. I was really disappointed when Chris Anderson and Kenyon Martin came back to the league and they didn't make a major push to get either of them. |
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Post by Dave on May 23, 2013 11:12:44 GMT -6
Thunder fan eh? Sorry my shitty raptors couldn't net you a better pick. And I doubt you're going to get anything great at the 12 spot in this draft, slim pickings this year Yup, used to enjoy them in Seattle and stuck with it in OKC especially with the greatness of Kevin Durant. I would have rather seen them upset full strength then watch them lose because of bad coaching ability with an undermanned roster. |
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Post by Royale on May 23, 2013 11:13:00 GMT -6
this draft sucks
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Post by London on May 23, 2013 12:23:09 GMT -6
Yeah it probably does.
Sounds like the Wolves want to deal up and with it looking like McLemore might slide to 3-5 and Oladipo being taken after we are obviously targeting one of them.
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Post by Buenos Aires on May 23, 2013 16:24:28 GMT -6
Even if u get someone decent, I doubt Brooks will be able to get productivity out of him, since, minus Harden who was simply a stud, he isnt a great coach to manage non star young guys. I guess the Thunder can again go back to the wheelchair called Derek Fisher. To be fair about the Harden thing, NOBODY saw his play coming. He disappeared like a small child against Miami in the finals and I think that factored in huge in giving him big money. Not to mention that as long as Moron Brooks is our coach Russell will always play PG so Harden was never going to get the shot to start here. I think with better coaching we could have got better production out of Kevin Martin. He needs minutes and shots to get going, but lets just bring him off the bench instead ALL SEASON!!! I think the WB injury will buy Brooks this upcoming season, but one more underachieving season should finally be the nail in the coffin for him. Hell, I'd axe him now giving that KD and WB are going to have some serious anger over this season and put a coach in that can push them over the limit. Nate Mac, JVG, SVG any will do. Another disappointing loss for KD will have him rabid next season, get a bulldog coach in there to tear him loose! Fisher was brought in solely for his locker room presence, and had to step in when Reggie Jackson was less then stellar in the starters role. Can't see why we sent Maynor packing when at least he is a true PG like Fish but younger. Reggie is just a lesser version of WB, a mediocre ball handler with no experience in big moments. The one thing they need is a big who can score 16ppg consistently. Ibaka is great for his D but I don't want him on the wings, and Perkins is absolute garbage. This will be my last straw on Presti with this offseason and draft. He's been great at drafting players, but terrible in making deals. He needs to take some of this youth and picks and add a vet. I was really disappointed when Chris Anderson and Kenyon Martin came back to the league and they didn't make a major push to get either of them. If, after three years of practices and games, they didnt recognize which player has a higher ceiling and potential, Harden or Ibaka, then they are really incompetent. And its not like Ibaka played a good Finals, his defensive breakdowns and rotations were awful. Westbrook goes down, Ibaka is now the 2nd guy, and what does he do? Same stats, with worse percentages. For all of them, it was their first Finals last season, so some mild choking to some of them is normal. Lebron choked the year before, at the age of 27 after playing numerous playoff games. So judging Harden on that series alone is just a mistake. And like Bill Simmons said, you cant expect your window to be open fr years to come just because you have a young team. You play for now if you can. Stick with Harden, and then trade him in the summer if its a must, and with all the teams having cap space ( Mavs, Hawks, Rockets etc..) who want to improve instantly, you think they wouldnt have gotten a better package this summer? Right. Kudos to Presti for drafting those guys, but everything after that, failure...Resigning Perkins to that deal, that made Ibaka think hes worth that money, and making the finances tight to make Harden leave? Not being able to attract any relevant role and bench players? Praising the Harden trade and then sending Jeremy Lamb to the D league? Not realizing that Brooks is an awful offensive coach and coordinator? Dunno what to say. And agreed on Martin and Andersen. After seeing Birdman last night, the whole league can collectively kick themselves in the nuts... |
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Post by Dave on May 23, 2013 17:48:57 GMT -6
I'd agree with everything you said. I am in the party that wasn't super big on Harden. His game is way to reliant on the referees, and he is way to willing to just stand back and jack up shots if he's not getting the ram into the defender foul call. Too much living and dying with the jumper. However I certainly think they would have been better off keeping him, using him in the rotation and push the value up on him and try to sign and trade him for way more in the offseason. Hell, they wanted Parsons in the deal and probably could have gotten him had they held out for more. I think Lamb COULD be useful if Brooks wasn't so bad. I've said that having youth like Lamb, PJ3, Thabeet, and Brewer on the bench why are we not using them in meaningless games to build confidence and experience so that they don't just sit there not being used.
It's weird to think this, but I truly believe that the Thunder would be better off with new GM AND COACH. I understand they are a small market, but it shouldn't be so hard to talk vets into coming to play with two of the best players in the league. They need to ignore the whole close knit team mentality and bring in some more talent. They need to get on the line with the Hawks and find out what kind of sign and trade they could pull of for a Josh Smith then we'd be golden. Hell somebody should want Perkins contract in a couple of seasons since he'll be expiring....I hope
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Post by Derek on May 24, 2013 12:58:06 GMT -6
That family that owns the Cavs is one throwed group of individuals...
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Post by john rockwell on May 25, 2013 8:18:37 GMT -6
You would think if they select Noel they won't have him til around Christmas from rehabbing his knee. But I think they are a couple of years away yet myself.
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Post by majorrajor on May 25, 2013 15:03:57 GMT -6
Noel falling to the Wizards would be perfect. He'd be a great fit to replace one of Nene/Okafor.
But we'll probably have to settle with Porter. Or Bennett. And I'm okay with that.
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Post by john rockwell on May 27, 2013 1:40:46 GMT -6
I would be shocked if he falls that far.
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Post by majorrajor on May 27, 2013 4:28:19 GMT -6
I would be shocked if he falls that far. Why? Cavs have a hole at SF and there is speculation that they would take Porter at #1 (they already have Zeller, Tristan Thompson, Varejao at PF/C and at SF they have Alonzo Gee and CJ Miles -- neither of which seem like a long term solution). Magic will take McLemore -- they are set with their big men (Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Andrew Nicholson) and really need a guard. That leaves Noel for us. |
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Post by OG Cairo on May 27, 2013 17:19:28 GMT -6
That's what "experts" said about the 09 draft. That draft produced Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, James Harden, Rubio, Jrue Holiday, Brandon Jennings and a bunch of starter/rotation guys. Basically you never know. |
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Post by Royale on May 27, 2013 20:03:34 GMT -6
That's what "experts" said about the 09 draft. That draft produced Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, James Harden, Rubio, Jrue Holiday, Brandon Jennings and a bunch of starter/rotation guys. Basically you never know. lol i still think this draft stinks |
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Post by Detroit on May 28, 2013 10:53:21 GMT -6
Kelly Olynyk measured out like a child. Seriously, a wingspan 2.25 inches shorter than your height? Wow...and I thought Cody Zeller's winspan was bad (1.25 inches shorter than height). He also measured in bottom 25% in ALL draft combine measurements. Yeah, basketball isn't played in cone drill like conditions, BUT it's still not a good feeling to have about a potential lottery pick. Nonetheless, he should come out as a decent middle version of Luis Scola (15&6 type). However, defensively he's going to be SHIT.
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Post by john rockwell on May 29, 2013 18:40:42 GMT -6
I guess anything can happen. Just think that Noel will go #1
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Post by London on May 30, 2013 7:06:51 GMT -6
Noel will go number one unless someone shoots past him during the individual workouts.
I'm just not sure I see Cleveland taking a SG after taking one last year (Dion Waiters).
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Post by Detroit on May 30, 2013 7:21:12 GMT -6
Noel is Marcus Camby v2.0 and nothing he's shown has led me to believe he'll ever become even an average offensive player. All putbacks and hustle baskets...no thanks.
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