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Post by craig on Apr 4, 2014 7:06:05 GMT -6
I am not arguing the trade I am more baffled by Cairo.
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Post by craig on Apr 4, 2014 7:17:04 GMT -6
The words skype and many don't help. Plus the offers he posted make this deal worse in comparison why would you say what you could have had? That makes you look bad. Stop crying. None of the people care that the offer was posted. The point is to show that Unseld had no market and you make no sense talking about posting what I could've had makes me look bad. Are you even following the entire thread? Lol. That's amusing I didn't realize I was crying about anything. I didn't have interest in any of the players in this deal. I didn't even care when our deal fell apart this offseason . To clarify the comparison thing doesn't make you look bad for making the deal. I don't think the deal is bad. It's clear your overreacting here and I don't like what you're doing here. I like to keep trade talks private and after Seeing this I wouldn't want to deal with you. That is what I am saying.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 7:23:38 GMT -6
Stop crying. None of the people care that the offer was posted. The point is to show that Unseld had no market and you make no sense talking about posting what I could've had makes me look bad. Are you even following the entire thread? Lol. That's amusing I didn't realize I was crying about anything. I didn't have interest in any of the players in this deal. I didn't even care when our deal fell apart this offseason . To clarify the comparison thing doesn't make you look bad for making the deal. I don't think the deal is bad. It's clear your overreacting here and I don't like what you're doing here. I like to keep trade talks private and after Seeing this I wouldn't want to deal with you. That is what I am saying. So you have no problem with a GM calling for me to be fired over this trade. Your issue is with me defending myself by posting deals offered by GMs which were already public knowledge. Absolutely no regard for a GM lashing out and calling for someone's based on performance in a league which has no set precedents. But okay, just for future reference when I'm fielding offers in the future for a player who is really coveted and there are blind bids being submitted, in that case I wouldn't go public with the offers. It boggles my mind that your biggest issue is with a GM defending himself when called on to be kicked out of the league. Good to know.
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Post by Beijing on Apr 4, 2014 9:17:02 GMT -6
Tehran isn't wrong here about posting those offers. They weren't public knowledge unless you had been talking about the offers to everyone. It's not overly bad, but it's not in good taste is all he's saying. As for him not mentioning that people called for your firing, he probably doesn't care because 1) it doesn't even remotely affect him and 2) it's not going to happen so he has no reason to care. If it were a possibility to be fired for shit trades, I'm sure Craig would then weigh in in that regard. He can correct me if I'm wrong but that's what it seems like.
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Post by London on Apr 4, 2014 9:22:47 GMT -6
Tehran isn't wrong here about posting those offers. They weren't public knowledge unless you had been talking about the offers to everyone. It's not overly bad, but it's not in good taste is all he's saying. I think the presumption is that they were being discussed openly/publicly in the General Skype room. The idea is that if it is said there it is public domain and you can expect that anyone might see it. The committee has routinely voted down the idea of firings for other than 3 strikes. I suppose things could change but I know at least one of the five is always going to be against it.
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Post by Sydney on Apr 4, 2014 9:29:50 GMT -6
Why does Cairo always think people are crying? People can criticize you all they want, it's a public forum. Your constant degradation of GMs, when you've shown very little to any skill at all, is just a front to make up for your acute ability to lose trades.
Simply put to debunk your logic,just because those were the offers received AFTER sim 2, doesn't mean you had to make the trade. There's 12 sims (iirc) before the trade deadline, who's to say you couldn't have gotten something better once teams are trying to push for a playoff spot or someone gets hit with a huge injury? Not like Jscott is pulling that offer.
The trade itself isn't anything special, let alone a fire-able offense, but the way in which Cairo conducts himself speaks volumes for why people are in such an uproar. Constantly deflecting blame for bad trades while accusing others of being biased against him has been his MO since he started. It's never going to change, it's just time to realize that he takes no accountability for trading away all his picks and fielding a below-avg/mediocre compiled roster.
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Post by Beijing on Apr 4, 2014 10:05:31 GMT -6
Tehran isn't wrong here about posting those offers. They weren't public knowledge unless you had been talking about the offers to everyone. It's not overly bad, but it's not in good taste is all he's saying. I think the presumption is that they were being discussed openly/publicly in the General Skype room. The idea is that if it is said there it is public domain and you can expect that anyone might see it. Yeah, I for one refrain from putting actual offers in the Skype chat. If people post my offer, that's on them but I'm not a fan of overly public negotiations. Stating interest is something I don't have a problem with but once I think I can get talks started, I go to the private chats.
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Post by Beijing on Apr 4, 2014 10:07:42 GMT -6
Why does Cairo always think people are crying? People can criticize you all they want, it's a public forum. Your constant degradation of GMs, when you've shown very little to any skill at all, is just a front to make up for your acute ability to lose trades. Simply put to debunk your logic,just because those were the offers received AFTER sim 2, doesn't mean you had to make the trade. There's 12 sims (iirc) before the trade deadline, who's to say you couldn't have gotten something better once teams are trying to push for a playoff spot or someone gets hit with a huge injury? Not like Jscott is pulling that offer. The trade itself isn't anything special, let alone a fire-able offense, but the way in which Cairo conducts himself speaks volumes for why people are in such an uproar. Constantly deflecting blame for bad trades while accusing others of being biased against him has been his MO since he started. It's never going to change, it's just time to realize that he takes no accountability for trading away all his picks and fielding a below-avg/mediocre compiled roster. Yes to this entire thing. Well said Sydney.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 10:26:14 GMT -6
Why does Cairo always think people are crying? People can criticize you all they want, it's a public forum. Your constant degradation of GMs, when you've shown very little to any skill at all, is just a front to make up for your acute ability to lose trades. Simply put to debunk your logic,just because those were the offers received AFTER sim 2, doesn't mean you had to make the trade. There's 12 sims (iirc) before the trade deadline, who's to say you couldn't have gotten something better once teams are trying to push for a playoff spot or someone gets hit with a huge injury? Not like Jscott is pulling that offer. The trade itself isn't anything special, let alone a fire-able offense, but the way in which Cairo conducts himself speaks volumes for why people are in such an uproar. Constantly deflecting blame for bad trades while accusing others of being biased against him has been his MO since he started. It's never going to change, it's just time to realize that he takes no accountability for trading away all his picks and fielding a below-avg/mediocre compiled roster. Degradation of GMs? You act like I'm actively seeking out GMs to go after. It's funny how you come out of the wood work, 2 pages into the thread to jump on the criticism from Tehran..yet had nothing to say the whole time before. Also, you didn't debunk any logic. There is another side to your mediocre logic, which would argue that if I held on to Unseld too long, I risked losing him for nothing. So don't try to come in here and state obvious situations just so jerk off your inflated ego about making strategic decisions. No one cares what you have to say. Time to realize I take no accountability? There are a handful of GMs who I am accountable to, as well as Jscott for all the time he puts into this league. I'm accountable to these GMs just out of respect. I'm not accountable to you, KK or any other mediocre member of this league. You have no right to demand accountability from another team, especially after you couldn't even gain more than 2 votes for the committee within the very league you seem to be so passionate about. Worry about your own team. But anyway,
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Post by Beijing on Apr 4, 2014 10:48:14 GMT -6
Why does Cairo always think people are crying? People can criticize you all they want, it's a public forum. Your constant degradation of GMs, when you've shown very little to any skill at all, is just a front to make up for your acute ability to lose trades. Simply put to debunk your logic,just because those were the offers received AFTER sim 2, doesn't mean you had to make the trade. There's 12 sims (iirc) before the trade deadline, who's to say you couldn't have gotten something better once teams are trying to push for a playoff spot or someone gets hit with a huge injury? Not like Jscott is pulling that offer. The trade itself isn't anything special, let alone a fire-able offense, but the way in which Cairo conducts himself speaks volumes for why people are in such an uproar. Constantly deflecting blame for bad trades while accusing others of being biased against him has been his MO since he started. It's never going to change, it's just time to realize that he takes no accountability for trading away all his picks and fielding a below-avg/mediocre compiled roster. Degradation of GMs? You act like I'm actively seeking out GMs to go after. It's funny how you come out of the wood work, 2 pages into the thread to jump on the criticism from Tehran..yet had nothing to say the whole time before. Also, you didn't debunk any logic. There is another side to your mediocre logic, which would argue that if I held on to Unseld too long, I risked losing him for nothing. So don't try to come in here and state obvious situations just so jerk off your inflated ego about making strategic decisions. No one cares what you have to say. Time to realize I take no accountability? There are a handful of GMs who I am accountable to, as well as Jscott for all the time he puts into this league. I'm accountable to these GMs just out of respect. I'm not accountable to you, KK or any other mediocre member of this league. You have no right to demand accountability from another team, especially after you couldn't even gain more than 2 votes for the committee within the very league you seem to be so passionate about. Worry about your own team. But anyway, Again, pretty sure you misinterpreted this. In terms of being accountable, he's saying that you should be accountable to your team and take the credit positive or negative rather than deflecting blame on others. No one saying to be accountable to other GMs, just for your own actions. Maybe I'm wrong, but whatever. Your second paragraph is EXACTLY what he means by "degradation." Read it and tell me that it isn't one of the most condescending paragraphs on the boards in recent history. Yes some called for your firing, yes it wasn't completely warranted, no that doesn't mean you need to stoop to that level. IT'S THE INTERNET, EVERYONE SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP TAKING GM CRITICISM AS ATTACKS ON INTEGRITY.
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Post by Sydney on Apr 4, 2014 10:55:05 GMT -6
Why does Cairo always think people are crying? People can criticize you all they want, it's a public forum. Your constant degradation of GMs, when you've shown very little to any skill at all, is just a front to make up for your acute ability to lose trades. Simply put to debunk your logic,just because those were the offers received AFTER sim 2, doesn't mean you had to make the trade. There's 12 sims (iirc) before the trade deadline, who's to say you couldn't have gotten something better once teams are trying to push for a playoff spot or someone gets hit with a huge injury? Not like Jscott is pulling that offer. The trade itself isn't anything special, let alone a fire-able offense, but the way in which Cairo conducts himself speaks volumes for why people are in such an uproar. Constantly deflecting blame for bad trades while accusing others of being biased against him has been his MO since he started. It's never going to change, it's just time to realize that he takes no accountability for trading away all his picks and fielding a below-avg/mediocre compiled roster. Degradation of GMs? You act like I'm actively seeking out GMs to go after. It's funny how you come out of the wood work, 2 pages into the thread to jump on the criticism from Tehran..yet had nothing to say the whole time before. Also, you didn't debunk any logic. There is another side to your mediocre logic, which would argue that if I held on to Unseld too long, I risked losing him for nothing. So don't try to come in here and state obvious situations just so jerk off your inflated ego about making strategic decisions. No one cares what you have to say. Time to realize I take no accountability? There are a handful of GMs who I am accountable to, as well as Jscott for all the time he puts into this league. I'm accountable to these GMs just out of respect. I'm not accountable to you, KK or any other mediocre member of this league. You have no right to demand accountability from another team, especially after you couldn't even gain more than 2 votes for the committee within the very league you seem to be so passionate about. Worry about your own team. Sorry that I have a life and didn't have time to comment on this before the first 2 pages amassed in the span of a day. It's not just the Tehran criticism, it's all of the criticism that you receive, for which you always state emanates only from the "cool crowd" as you like to call them. Contrary to your statement, you actively belittle others and feel that you have proven something just because you once spoke in third person and acted like a "real organization". You've proven nothing, ever. On to the next issue, you just exacerbated my point in which your logic was clearly flawed. You had 10 more sims to go before you lost him for nothing. Yet you panicked and chose to trade him now as if he was gone tomorrow. Most teams had just finished their offseason and had few holes to fill, clearly it was not the appropriate time to trade him based on the lowball offers. You talk a big game about wanting to learn from your mistakes and yada yada yada, it's all bullshit. I'm not here to inflate my ego but to ultimately defeat your bloated one. You marginalize other GMs consistently and constantly call them "mediocre" when in fact, these mediocre GMs are leaps and bounds better than you. If they are mediocre, you are quite frankly significantly below average. I also said it's time for everyone, BUT YOU, to realize that cairo doesnt take any accountability. All you do is slander others and sit on your all-mighty high chair thinking you're above others when you're definitely not. You make bad trades and then blame everyone but yourself. I'm not even going to touch on the committee comment. When there's 3 better candidates and people only have 2 votes, basic math says there won't be any for me. I'm happy with my 2 votes, it's 2 more then you'd ever see.
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Post by davedean on Apr 4, 2014 11:04:30 GMT -6
Ah poop. I saw this going this way. Why can't a couple GM's battle it out without other GM'S coming in and making it way more serious than it has to be.
Give me one line pot shots and move on, I don't want to read novels in a damn sim league.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 11:10:35 GMT -6
Degradation of GMs? You act like I'm actively seeking out GMs to go after. It's funny how you come out of the wood work, 2 pages into the thread to jump on the criticism from Tehran..yet had nothing to say the whole time before. Also, you didn't debunk any logic. There is another side to your mediocre logic, which would argue that if I held on to Unseld too long, I risked losing him for nothing. So don't try to come in here and state obvious situations just so jerk off your inflated ego about making strategic decisions. No one cares what you have to say. Time to realize I take no accountability? There are a handful of GMs who I am accountable to, as well as Jscott for all the time he puts into this league. I'm accountable to these GMs just out of respect. I'm not accountable to you, KK or any other mediocre member of this league. You have no right to demand accountability from another team, especially after you couldn't even gain more than 2 votes for the committee within the very league you seem to be so passionate about. Worry about your own team. But anyway, Again, pretty sure you misinterpreted this. In terms of being accountable, he's saying that you should be accountable to your team and take the credit positive or negative rather than deflecting blame on others. No one saying to be accountable to other GMs, just for your own actions. Maybe I'm wrong, but whatever. Your second paragraph is EXACTLY what he means by "degradation." Read it and tell me that it isn't one of the most condescending paragraphs on the boards in recent history. Yes some called for your firing, yes it wasn't completely warranted, no that doesn't mean you need to stoop to that level. IT'S THE INTERNET, EVERYONE SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP TAKING GM CRITICISM AS ATTACKS ON INTEGRITY. So calling a new GM "Thug piece of shit" and "moron" within the first 2 days of him being in the league is not constructive criticism. When I "degrade" GMs, there are a certain few who deserve it based on what they've said and comments they've made when you weren't present in the league chat. If you are under the impression that I treat every single person who provides advice in this manner, you are absolutely wrong. There are a handful of GMs who are mediocre individuals. Anytime I say that word, it really has more to do with their actions and implications, and less to do with their GM abilities. I'll be the first to admit that I'm new to the game and don't have experience. I'm not going to name the people I'm talking about above, but we all clearly know who they are. They were bullied when they first joined (something I've learned from numerous people) and they are trying VERY hard to fit in. Instead of teaching me how to respect criticism, maybe you can PM them something about how to handle online bullying as they are clearly struggling with it.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 11:13:21 GMT -6
Ah poop. I saw this going this way. Why can't a couple GM's battle it out without other GM'S coming in and making it way more serious than it has to be. Give me one line pot shots and move on, I don't want to read novels in a damn sim league. Lol Sydney likes to think he provides good advice and criticism. I have no idea why he thinks I want to hear it. Dude has been trying to rip me off since the day I joined the league and then wants to act like he's a wise guy on the skype chat and boards. People even warned me about him when I first joined...It's okay though. I'm glad his ego is doing well.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 11:23:30 GMT -6
Degradation of GMs? You act like I'm actively seeking out GMs to go after. It's funny how you come out of the wood work, 2 pages into the thread to jump on the criticism from Tehran..yet had nothing to say the whole time before. Also, you didn't debunk any logic. There is another side to your mediocre logic, which would argue that if I held on to Unseld too long, I risked losing him for nothing. So don't try to come in here and state obvious situations just so jerk off your inflated ego about making strategic decisions. No one cares what you have to say. Time to realize I take no accountability? There are a handful of GMs who I am accountable to, as well as Jscott for all the time he puts into this league. I'm accountable to these GMs just out of respect. I'm not accountable to you, KK or any other mediocre member of this league. You have no right to demand accountability from another team, especially after you couldn't even gain more than 2 votes for the committee within the very league you seem to be so passionate about. Worry about your own team. Sorry that I have a life and didn't have time to comment on this before the first 2 pages amassed in the span of a day. It's not just the Tehran criticism, it's all of the criticism that you receive, for which you always state emanates only from the "cool crowd" as you like to call them. Contrary to your statement, you actively belittle others and feel that you have proven something just because you once spoke in third person and acted like a "real organization". You've proven nothing, ever. On to the next issue, you just exacerbated my point in which your logic was clearly flawed. You had 10 more sims to go before you lost him for nothing. Yet you panicked and chose to trade him now as if he was gone tomorrow. Most teams had just finished their offseason and had few holes to fill, clearly it was not the appropriate time to trade him based on the lowball offers. You talk a big game about wanting to learn from your mistakes and yada yada yada, it's all bullshit. I'm not here to inflate my ego but to ultimately defeat your bloated one. You marginalize other GMs consistently and constantly call them "mediocre" when in fact, these mediocre GMs are leaps and bounds better than you. If they are mediocre, you are quite frankly significantly below average. I also said it's time for everyone, BUT YOU, to realize that cairo doesnt take any accountability. All you do is slander others and sit on your all-mighty high chair thinking you're above others when you're definitely not. You make bad trades and then blame everyone but yourself. I'm not even going to touch on the committee comment. When there's 3 better candidates and people only have 2 votes, basic math says there won't be any for me. I'm happy with my 2 votes, it's 2 more then you'd ever see. The Cairo front office has made an organizational decision not to directly address anything from Sydney moving forward. It is clearly evident that Sydney has some sort've an inexplicable agenda and Cairo has no interest in entertaining this type of mediocrity. We wish Sydney the best of luck moving forward.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Apr 4, 2014 11:29:29 GMT -6
So...Sydney Cairo rivalry? anyone?
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Post by Sydney on Apr 4, 2014 11:30:58 GMT -6
So...Sydney Cairo rivalry? anyone? Not really a rivalry when on of the teams will always be at the bottom of the standings, and it's not Sydney.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 11:39:39 GMT -6
Rivalry also means there is a hint of respect for the opposition. Cairo has no respect for the way the Sydney organization conducts itself, time and time again. We congratulate Sydney for their recent success and a solid roster but it stops at that.
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Post by Sydney on Apr 4, 2014 11:41:14 GMT -6
Rivalry also means there is a hint of respect for the opposition. Cairo has no respect for the way the Sydney organization conducts itself, time and time again. We congratulate Sydney for their recent success and a solid roster but it stops at that. As if Cairo would ever be respected by Sydney or half the other "mediocre" organizations around.
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Post by Toronto on Apr 4, 2014 11:42:58 GMT -6
Rivalry also means there is a hint of respect for the opposition. Cairo has no respect for the way the Sydney organization conducts itself, time and time again. We congratulate Sydney for their recent success and a solid roster but it stops at that. As if Cairo would ever be respected by Sydney or half the other "mediocre" organizations around.
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Post by Phil Jackson on Apr 4, 2014 11:46:55 GMT -6
Looking like a rivalry to me. Same division too.
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