Post by Detroit on May 1, 2013 10:23:27 GMT -6
Hey all,
I mentioned in the Skype group chat to Brasil and London that I was messing around with an off-line FBPB3 campaign. I chose the Spurs starting in Duncan's rookie season (to try creating a dynasty around him). I'm in year 9 and no such luck. I've been the top seed probably 5 times, but have only reached the Finals once and Conference Finals once.
Anyways, to get back on track, I wanted to discuss how potential may or may not work within this game. There are a couple examples I'm going to give, including their projected potential on draft night, the environment they were under, and what happened since.
Some background: My scouts were always ELITE. Everything you read here was based on scouting from GREAT scouts - which proves how important a role luck and/or the environment plays in achieving or exceeding your potential - and there was no B.S. 'editing' the player files. This is 100% legitimate.
Case 1: Al Harrington
He was projected to go #18 in the 1998 draft. His ratings would, if everything turned out right, be of a solid 6th man. Something along the lines of low-med B's across the board offensively (Ins, Jps, Fts, 3ps) with mediocre defense and rebounding (C's for D, B's for Rebs). I chose him only because I needed a backup to the backup
and there wasn't any talent available this late in the draft. So, I went with youth who could fill a seat on the bench. He had an orange/green skill box combination (i.e. below-average now, above-average in the future).
Year 1: He was played very gingerly. The only reason he played, period, was because Will Purdue (the backup to Duncan/Malik Rose) couldn't play PF. He provided some outside shooting, so I justified using him despite his horrific defense (which the scouts were 100% correct on).
Year 2: Same. Actually, he played LESS than before (but can't remember why) and didn't mark much improvement. However, *if I recall correctly* his potential had become blue. He was still orange (I hope, he sucked ass) but there was a marked improvement in how high his ceiling was.
Year 3: Finally, he burst through the scene and made some tremendous progress. When he was drafted, he had a current Inside skill level of D+ and by now, he had moved onto a med or high C inside. He was rewarded with more playing time behind Duncan/Rose as Purdue went from green to yellow (too high to begin with...I know!) and put up solid numbers (18mpg, 7ppg, 4rpg on 46/78/38).
Year 4: More progress. Became a part-time starter and averaged 30mpg, scoring 12 and getting 6 rebounds a night. He was probably 'greenish' (maybe yellow still) but showed some awesome potential (going back to the transformation of his ceiling). IIRC, Rose was slowly losing his minutes (which would lead to him complaining) and I was OK with it, despite the ridiculous money I was paying him ($5mil/yr for 10/6 with horrible D....in 2001!).
Year 5: Small minute decrease, didn't start many games, but averaged more PPG than the previous season despite the reduction. He was blue by now, for certain, because I had tons of ridiculous trade offers popping up for him (and Duncan lol).
Year 6: His last season with the Spurs prior to being traded for Nash. Kind of regret it looking back, but whatever. Put up 16/8 with an average of 1.27 PPS (points per shot). Stark improvements in assist rate, decreased turnover rate to career-low, had more usage than before, good rebound rate, and a high PER. Added approximately 11 wins to the team (EWA - guessing it's similar to WS?) and had a ridiculous ORtg of 110 and DRtg of 96! This is Ginobili type shit (superstar level impact on lower minute average or raw averages).
So, not bad, right? Topped out at 16/8 after being the #17 pick in 1998. Not bad at all, really...except, he continued improving upon his trade to Chicago! First year, 22/7 on 47%/75%/42% in the same amount of MPG as the year before...wow. Then, this past season...25/7 on 55%/74%/52%. Yes, he shot 55% from the field and 52% from 3pt land...those are super-LeBron type numbers with Stephen Curry like 3pt ability. Funny enough, LeBron is toiling around at something like 18/5/4 after being the #1 pick 3 years ago, lol.
Case 2: Eddy Curry
He was slated to go late first round in the 2001 draft. He was to be a solid inside scorer (B or B+) with good rebounding skills (lol!) and bad defense, but also had low ratings at the current time (maybe D+ inside?). So, basically real-life Curry minus rebounding skills. By now, Purdue had gone to the shits and I needed a future backup big. He was 18 and out of high school. Projected to be yellow while currently being orange. So, a journey man was his best case scenario. Still, his inside scoring attribute showed a HUGE amount of potential and I was intrigued.
Year 1: Already started complaining about playing time despite playing 8 mpg and contributing jack-squat. Didn't block shots, take care of the ball, or do anything useful besides score around the basket (53% shooting but also 54% free throw shooting). Averaged 2ppg and 2rpg during these minutes.
Year 2: Much the same as before. Made strides in scoring ability (3.6 ppg in 13.1mpg on 57% shoting and 64% free throws), but got worse as a rebounder...
Year 3: Again, same shit. However, he managed to score the same amount of ppg (3.6) as the year before on only 10 mpg. Great, right? Well, no, because he shot 49% from the field.
Since: He's still with the team, finishing up the 5th year in the league and doing jack squat? His hyped up inside scoring ability never panned out. He's stuck at C+ with a C future. Rebounding wise, he's a C across the board (D/O reb, Current and Future) and the same with post D. He plays for a paycheck (min. contract) and is practically useless.
So, as you can see, there are vast differences in terms of how potential can play out in relatively similar players (mid-late 1st round picks with solid potential). The funny thing about Eddy Curry is that the other guy I was looking at with that pick, Eddie Griffin (RIP) turned out to become a dominant blue.
Despite having had similar ratings to Curry during draft time. Offensively, he's a C across the board, but defensively, he may be the very best in the league. Averaged 11 ppg and 9 rpg along with 2bpg...the 26th pick of the 2001 draft.
I mentioned in the Skype group chat to Brasil and London that I was messing around with an off-line FBPB3 campaign. I chose the Spurs starting in Duncan's rookie season (to try creating a dynasty around him). I'm in year 9 and no such luck. I've been the top seed probably 5 times, but have only reached the Finals once and Conference Finals once.
Anyways, to get back on track, I wanted to discuss how potential may or may not work within this game. There are a couple examples I'm going to give, including their projected potential on draft night, the environment they were under, and what happened since.
Some background: My scouts were always ELITE. Everything you read here was based on scouting from GREAT scouts - which proves how important a role luck and/or the environment plays in achieving or exceeding your potential - and there was no B.S. 'editing' the player files. This is 100% legitimate.
Case 1: Al Harrington
He was projected to go #18 in the 1998 draft. His ratings would, if everything turned out right, be of a solid 6th man. Something along the lines of low-med B's across the board offensively (Ins, Jps, Fts, 3ps) with mediocre defense and rebounding (C's for D, B's for Rebs). I chose him only because I needed a backup to the backup
and there wasn't any talent available this late in the draft. So, I went with youth who could fill a seat on the bench. He had an orange/green skill box combination (i.e. below-average now, above-average in the future). Year 1: He was played very gingerly. The only reason he played, period, was because Will Purdue (the backup to Duncan/Malik Rose) couldn't play PF. He provided some outside shooting, so I justified using him despite his horrific defense (which the scouts were 100% correct on).
Year 2: Same. Actually, he played LESS than before (but can't remember why) and didn't mark much improvement. However, *if I recall correctly* his potential had become blue. He was still orange (I hope, he sucked ass) but there was a marked improvement in how high his ceiling was.
Year 3: Finally, he burst through the scene and made some tremendous progress. When he was drafted, he had a current Inside skill level of D+ and by now, he had moved onto a med or high C inside. He was rewarded with more playing time behind Duncan/Rose as Purdue went from green to yellow (too high to begin with...I know!) and put up solid numbers (18mpg, 7ppg, 4rpg on 46/78/38).
Year 4: More progress. Became a part-time starter and averaged 30mpg, scoring 12 and getting 6 rebounds a night. He was probably 'greenish' (maybe yellow still) but showed some awesome potential (going back to the transformation of his ceiling). IIRC, Rose was slowly losing his minutes (which would lead to him complaining) and I was OK with it, despite the ridiculous money I was paying him ($5mil/yr for 10/6 with horrible D....in 2001!).
Year 5: Small minute decrease, didn't start many games, but averaged more PPG than the previous season despite the reduction. He was blue by now, for certain, because I had tons of ridiculous trade offers popping up for him (and Duncan lol).
Year 6: His last season with the Spurs prior to being traded for Nash. Kind of regret it looking back, but whatever. Put up 16/8 with an average of 1.27 PPS (points per shot). Stark improvements in assist rate, decreased turnover rate to career-low, had more usage than before, good rebound rate, and a high PER. Added approximately 11 wins to the team (EWA - guessing it's similar to WS?) and had a ridiculous ORtg of 110 and DRtg of 96! This is Ginobili type shit (superstar level impact on lower minute average or raw averages).
So, not bad, right? Topped out at 16/8 after being the #17 pick in 1998. Not bad at all, really...except, he continued improving upon his trade to Chicago! First year, 22/7 on 47%/75%/42% in the same amount of MPG as the year before...wow. Then, this past season...25/7 on 55%/74%/52%. Yes, he shot 55% from the field and 52% from 3pt land...those are super-LeBron type numbers with Stephen Curry like 3pt ability. Funny enough, LeBron is toiling around at something like 18/5/4 after being the #1 pick 3 years ago, lol.
Case 2: Eddy Curry
He was slated to go late first round in the 2001 draft. He was to be a solid inside scorer (B or B+) with good rebounding skills (lol!) and bad defense, but also had low ratings at the current time (maybe D+ inside?). So, basically real-life Curry minus rebounding skills. By now, Purdue had gone to the shits and I needed a future backup big. He was 18 and out of high school. Projected to be yellow while currently being orange. So, a journey man was his best case scenario. Still, his inside scoring attribute showed a HUGE amount of potential and I was intrigued.
Year 1: Already started complaining about playing time despite playing 8 mpg and contributing jack-squat. Didn't block shots, take care of the ball, or do anything useful besides score around the basket (53% shooting but also 54% free throw shooting). Averaged 2ppg and 2rpg during these minutes.
Year 2: Much the same as before. Made strides in scoring ability (3.6 ppg in 13.1mpg on 57% shoting and 64% free throws), but got worse as a rebounder...
Year 3: Again, same shit. However, he managed to score the same amount of ppg (3.6) as the year before on only 10 mpg. Great, right? Well, no, because he shot 49% from the field.
Since: He's still with the team, finishing up the 5th year in the league and doing jack squat? His hyped up inside scoring ability never panned out. He's stuck at C+ with a C future. Rebounding wise, he's a C across the board (D/O reb, Current and Future) and the same with post D. He plays for a paycheck (min. contract) and is practically useless.
So, as you can see, there are vast differences in terms of how potential can play out in relatively similar players (mid-late 1st round picks with solid potential). The funny thing about Eddy Curry is that the other guy I was looking at with that pick, Eddie Griffin (RIP) turned out to become a dominant blue.
Despite having had similar ratings to Curry during draft time. Offensively, he's a C across the board, but defensively, he may be the very best in the league. Averaged 11 ppg and 9 rpg along with 2bpg...the 26th pick of the 2001 draft.
