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Post by zachary on Apr 30, 2013 15:42:17 GMT -6
Do you honestly think Bron deserved any?
I think KD deserved it last year. What about you guys?
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Post by DuncanFan on Apr 30, 2013 15:48:57 GMT -6
I think he deserved them all, especially over D Rose. Last year was close but I'd still give LBJ the edge.
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Post by Dave on Apr 30, 2013 16:16:04 GMT -6
He should've been in the running and probably won 2/3 but I think Durant should have stole one by now.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 30, 2013 18:44:35 GMT -6
I think he deserved them all...and he deserves this years, which he will win again.
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Post by Detroit on Apr 30, 2013 18:57:17 GMT -6
There's NO ONE even within the vicinity of LeBron. He's at his peak; his peak is at an all-time high in terms of NBA history. How can anyone be against a guy averaging 25.5/7.5/6.5 on 56.5% shooting? The kicker? He is shooting 40% from 3pt range.
Just curious, Zachary: Are you a Kobe Bryant fan? They tend to be delusional enough to think LeBron isn't deserving of an MVP or that he isn't the best player in the league by far. We saw the impact he had on the Cavaliers organization. They completely collapsed without him. The morons who claim that the other guys who left are just as important are just that, morons.
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Post by zachary on Apr 30, 2013 19:42:09 GMT -6
nah KD all day
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Post by Detroit on Apr 30, 2013 19:57:58 GMT -6
That's cool. LeBron's still miles ahead of anyone (IMO and a majority of the NBA). Yes, you have the occasional moron in the NBA who claims Kobe's still the best, but in reality, has Kobe ever truly been the best? Early 00's belonged to O'Neal and Duncan, mid 00's to Duncan and Garnett, late 00's to LeBron and since then, LeBron's been BY FAR the best. Am I his fan? Sure. Do I follow his team? Nope. I'm more intrigued by tracking advanced statistics and catching the nationally televised games than I am in watching every game. The Heat aren't fun to watch IMO, but LeBron's box scores (yeah, I know...) and his impact on the game are tremendous.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 30, 2013 20:04:04 GMT -6
At point Kobe was the best scorer hands down. The man dropped 82 and I think he was the best guard in the league for a while. He's always been in that conversation and even now you cant put him lower then 3rd because of how easily he scores and how he has that killer mentality. I think all Lebrons MVPs were rightfully given. The man is the best player in this era and Im glad I get to watch him play. Durant is the only player close but he doesn't play the same game. I think its LeBron, Durant, Kobe, and then the rest of the league. Lebron will go down as one of the GOATs.
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Post by Dave on May 1, 2013 11:02:05 GMT -6
At point Kobe was the best scorer hands down. The man dropped 82 and I think he was the best guard in the league for a while. He's always been in that conversation and even now you cant put him lower then 3rd because of how easily he scores and how he has that killer mentality. I think all Lebrons MVPs were rightfully given. The man is the best player in this era and Im glad I get to watch him play. Durant is the only player close but he doesn't play the same game. I think its LeBron, Durant, Kobe, and then the rest of the league. Lebron will go down as one of the GOATs. I hate people arguing Kobe/LeBron. Yes Kobe came in with Shaq, but LeBron wasn't winning anything without the Superfriends. Kobe Bryant is and will be the closest thing to Michael Jordan anybody sees. Kobe is a better shooter, better pure scorer, smarter basketball IQ, and gets more out of his teammates then LeBron does. If LeBron was Kobe Bryants size he wouldn't be half the player he is. While he will get more rebounds (Which he should due to his size and Miami not playing any bigs ***KD does the same thing in OKC) I'd argue that the games where Kobe plays the Point Shooting Guard for the Lakers he is a better decision maker. Kobe is a better On Ball defender, LeBron gets alot of his big blocks and steals because he rarely is guarding the best player on the opposition and leaks into passing lanes and weak side blocks. I don't think the gap between him and KD is as big as many think. KD is/can be the best scorer we've ever seen. While he has to work harder for it, it is so much smoother then LeBrons game. I would have liked to see LeBron play in an age where players could actually be physical. I don't think he could handle the game the way it used to be with hard fouls and Utah Jazz-esque defense ala cheap shots and Stockton play. If he didn't have the green light and the refs whistles in his back pocket every drive to the basket we'd see if he could be as good a player as Kobe. |
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Post by Bayi on May 1, 2013 14:07:02 GMT -6
KD will win one. Voters get tired of always voting for the same player. There's no way Malone or Barkley should have EVER won a MVP - just happens that they became media darkhorses.
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Post by Detroit on May 1, 2013 14:39:15 GMT -6
I hate people arguing Kobe/LeBron. Yes Kobe came in with Shaq, but LeBron wasn't winning anything without the Superfriends. Kobe Bryant is and will be the closest thing to Michael Jordan anybody sees. Kobe is a better shooter, better pure scorer, smarter basketball IQ, and gets more out of his teammates then LeBron does. If LeBron was Kobe Bryants size he wouldn't be half the player he is. While he will get more rebounds (Which he should due to his size and Miami not playing any bigs ***KD does the same thing in OKC) I'd argue that the games where Kobe plays the Point Shooting Guard for the Lakers he is a better decision maker. Kobe is a better On Ball defender, LeBron gets alot of his big blocks and steals because he rarely is guarding the best player on the opposition and leaks into passing lanes and weak side blocks. I don't think the gap between him and KD is as big as many think. KD is/can be the best scorer we've ever seen. While he has to work harder for it, it is so much smoother then LeBrons game. I would have liked to see LeBron play in an age where players could actually be physical. I don't think he could handle the game the way it used to be with hard fouls and Utah Jazz-esque defense ala cheap shots and Stockton play. If he didn't have the green light and the refs whistles in his back pocket every drive to the basket we'd see if he could be as good a player as Kobe. LeBron wasn't winning anything in Cleveland because Danny Ferry thought Maurice Williams was a great 2nd option. This was proven to be false when he disappeared time after time in the playoffs. How can anyone ever call LeBron out for not winning a title when he averaged 38,8,8 against the Magic and his team lost 4-2 with one win coming on a LeBron fadeaway 3? Kobe is NOT a better shooter. Go take a look at the shot charts for LeBron the last 3 years? Has Kobe ever had that type of efficiency? The shot chart pretty much shuts up any Kobe fanboy save for his legion of dickriders who deny it. He's a smarter basketball player? Really? He's a smarter individual, for sure, but part of BBIQ is knowing when to pass and when to shoot. Has he ever truly figured that out? Rebounding doesn't matter in this discussion. He's NOT a better decision maker. Go take a peek at their AST/TO ratios and come back to me. He puts up 14 apg for a stretch (with guys like Gasol/Howard/Nash surrounding him) and people go crazy. LeBron was putting up 10+ assists a night in Cleveland with Verajao as his most consistent scoring option. Defensively, if you don't see that Kobe's gotten onto all-defensive teams based PURELY ON REPUTATION, I don't know if we can talk. All but the most delusional fanboys recognize that Kobe does NOT play good defense (both on-ball and off-ball save for occasional efforts) and the fact that he continues making all-defensive teams is a joke. You lost all arguments when you stoop as low as to claim LeBron gets some sort of unfair treatment. Kobe, primarily a jumpshooter, has averaged just as many FTA/gm for most of his career as LeBron. Please don't insult the league with petty BS like the aforementioned. |
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Post by Berlin on May 1, 2013 14:59:00 GMT -6
I hate people arguing Kobe/LeBron. Yes Kobe came in with Shaq, but LeBron wasn't winning anything without the Superfriends. Kobe Bryant is and will be the closest thing to Michael Jordan anybody sees. Kobe is a better shooter, better pure scorer, smarter basketball IQ, and gets more out of his teammates then LeBron does. If LeBron was Kobe Bryants size he wouldn't be half the player he is. While he will get more rebounds (Which he should due to his size and Miami not playing any bigs ***KD does the same thing in OKC) I'd argue that the games where Kobe plays the Point Shooting Guard for the Lakers he is a better decision maker. Kobe is a better On Ball defender, LeBron gets alot of his big blocks and steals because he rarely is guarding the best player on the opposition and leaks into passing lanes and weak side blocks. I don't think the gap between him and KD is as big as many think. KD is/can be the best scorer we've ever seen. While he has to work harder for it, it is so much smoother then LeBrons game. I would have liked to see LeBron play in an age where players could actually be physical. I don't think he could handle the game the way it used to be with hard fouls and Utah Jazz-esque defense ala cheap shots and Stockton play. If he didn't have the green light and the refs whistles in his back pocket every drive to the basket we'd see if he could be as good a player as Kobe. LeBron wasn't winning anything in Cleveland because Danny Ferry thought Maurice Williams was a great 2nd option. This was proven to be false when he disappeared time after time in the playoffs. How can anyone ever call LeBron out for not winning a title when he averaged 38,8,8 against the Magic and his team lost 4-2 with one win coming on a LeBron fadeaway 3? Kobe is NOT a better shooter. Go take a look at the shot charts for LeBron the last 3 years? Has Kobe ever had that type of efficiency? The shot chart pretty much shuts up any Kobe fanboy save for his legion of dickriders who deny it. He's a smarter basketball player? Really? He's a smarter individual, for sure, but part of BBIQ is knowing when to pass and when to shoot. Has he ever truly figured that out? Rebounding doesn't matter in this discussion. He's NOT a better decision maker. Go take a peek at their AST/TO ratios and come back to me. He puts up 14 apg for a stretch (with guys like Gasol/Howard/Nash surrounding him) and people go crazy. LeBron was putting up 10+ assists a night in Cleveland with Verajao as his most consistent scoring option. Defensively, if you don't see that Kobe's gotten onto all-defensive teams based PURELY ON REPUTATION, I don't know if we can talk. All but the most delusional fanboys recognize that Kobe does NOT play good defense (both on-ball and off-ball save for occasional efforts) and the fact that he continues making all-defensive teams is a joke. You lost all arguments when you stoop as low as to claim LeBron gets some sort of unfair treatment. Kobe, primarily a jumpshooter, has averaged just as many FTA/gm for most of his career as LeBron. Please don't insult the league with petty BS like the aforementioned. This post is Berlin approved... |
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Post by Detroit on May 1, 2013 15:29:37 GMT -6
Take a look at shooting splits for this year (which many Kobe fans are saying is one of Kobe's finest offensive seasons). Kobe: www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/shooting/2013/LeBron: www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/At Rim ---------- Bryant: 233/336 (69%) - assisted on 31% James: 419/540 (77%) - assisted on 51% 3 to < 10 ft ---------- Bryant: 108/234 (46%) - assisted on 30% James: 90/182 (49%) - assisted on 20% 10 to < 16 ft ---------- Bryant: 113/240 (47%) - assisted on 15% James: 62/147 (42%) - assisted on 13% 16 to < 3pt --------- Bryant: 152/378 (40%) - assisted on 29% James: 125/279 (45%) - assisted on 18% 3pt --------- Bryant: 132/407 (32%) - assisted on 62% James: 106/265 (40%) - assisted on 56% There's your fucking 'superior shooting ability' for Kobe. He's a worse shooter from practically all areas of the floor (save the mid-post area he operates heavily from) and is also the recipient of better looks (hence the higher assist rate). I understand the insecurity posed by Kobe fans. They can't stand that LeBron has surpassed peak Kobe (he never put together the offense and defense - he was at his best defensively pre-03 and his best offensively from 05-07) without even putting much effort into it. The scary part? His shooting has increased EVERY YEAR IN HIS NBA CAREER (save for one). He's only going to get better folks. Some like to claim that once his athleticism fades, he'll experience a heavy decline, but that's just being silly. He's big (and physical) enough to bang with the big boys. The BS about him not being able to handle physical play is just that, BS. He's slowly transitioning into a low-post player and I have no doubt he'll be a top 5 player even once he reaches 35 years of age. Athleticism declines for all players; however, it doesn't decline to the point that you can't jump. Jordan at age 36 was still more athletic than most guys at the position. Relative to their prime, yes superstars do jump less and run slower, but their 80% athleticism is good enough to still dominate. |
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