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Post by San Francisco on Jun 10, 2015 10:24:22 GMT -6
This came up on slack but I am going to do some gm rankings, similar to what the artist now known as Phil Jackson has done in the past with player rankings. It is early in the process so please add your thoughts. The guidelines I am thinking about so far are: Individual rankings in:
These will lead to a overall ranking for each GM, maybe you should get to rank overall also? There will also be a section for comments. All trolls and won't be published and will be anonymous in the final article Thinking about not including self assessments so team's cannot fudge their own numbers. AKA you vote yourself top notch in everything, Scaling would be 1.0 - 10.0 and I would develop some criteria as guidelines Example: 8.0+ exceptional, among the best in the league at that particular area
7.0 -7.9 Above average, very competent in the area
5.0-6.9 Average In area
3.5-5.0 Below average in area
0.0 - 3.4 Needs improvementOpen to all suggestions and feedbacks for any and all parts of this. Post em up or hit me up with em |
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Post by BC Žalgiris on Jun 10, 2015 10:29:10 GMT -6
Fun.
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Post by London on Jun 10, 2015 10:29:41 GMT -6
London everything x10
Everyone else 0s.
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Post by Berlin on Jun 10, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -6
I like it...will you be including just current GMs, or will "important" former GMs be included? For example, former Chicago (I'm not calling him anything else) has two rings...Dave has one...former PartiZan has one...will they get the same attention as say, the guys who have been here less than a season?
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Post by Mexico City on Jun 10, 2015 11:03:44 GMT -6
Interesting
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Post by Philadelphia on Jun 10, 2015 11:10:07 GMT -6
This will be interesting
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Post by Beijing on Jun 10, 2015 11:39:57 GMT -6
I'm in.
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Post by San Francisco on Jun 10, 2015 11:50:06 GMT -6
I like it...will you be including just current GMs, or will "important" former GMs be included? For example, former Chicago (I'm not calling him anything else) has two rings...Dave has one...former PartiZan has one...will they get the same attention as say, the guys who have been here less than a season? Sure why not As an aside that just popped into the ole noggin, I can pull the information easily I will put in a little Bio about each GM (career record or season by season record) Not sure how easy that will be for the guys that move around a ton or the guys not in the league and haven't looked in game yet |
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Post by Berlin on Jun 10, 2015 12:16:56 GMT -6
I like it...will you be including just current GMs, or will "important" former GMs be included? For example, former Chicago (I'm not calling him anything else) has two rings...Dave has one...former PartiZan has one...will they get the same attention as say, the guys who have been here less than a season? Sure why not As an aside that just popped into the ole noggin, I can pull the information easily I will put in a little Bio about each GM (career record or season by season record) Not sure how easy that will be for the guys that move around a ton or the guys not in the league and haven't looked in game yet Nice...the bios could have little facts about us from previous ABCA's as well if you like ("Swoosh has won a title in every ABCA", "Corey has a 63-2 record over J. Scott in ABCA Finals", "Roark has an ABCA playoff winning percentage of .115".)...I'm sure there are lots of tidbits from vets we can throw in for you.  |
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Post by Derek on Jun 10, 2015 12:32:51 GMT -6
I bet this ends up being really fun. There are some GMs who are clear cut at the top but where others fall or perception of others will be the most intriguing part.
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Post by Sydney on Jun 10, 2015 12:37:06 GMT -6
Sure why not As an aside that just popped into the ole noggin, I can pull the information easily I will put in a little Bio about each GM (career record or season by season record) Not sure how easy that will be for the guys that move around a ton or the guys not in the league and haven't looked in game yet Nice...the bios could have little facts about us from previous ABCA's as well if you like ("Swoosh has won a title in every ABCA", "Corey has a 63-2 record over J. Scott in ABCA Finals", "Roark has an ABCA playoff winning percentage of .115".)...I'm sure there are lots of tidbits from vets we can throw in for you. The roark tidbit made me chuckle...This seems like fun -- will Dave have the lowest ranking for a GM to ever win the ship? |
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Post by Berlin on Jun 10, 2015 12:40:33 GMT -6
Nice...the bios could have little facts about us from previous ABCA's as well if you like ("Swoosh has won a title in every ABCA", "Corey has a 63-2 record over J. Scott in ABCA Finals", "Roark has an ABCA playoff winning percentage of .115".)...I'm sure there are lots of tidbits from vets we can throw in for you. The roark tidbit made me chuckle...This seems like fun -- will Dave have the lowest ranking for a GM to ever win the ship? Hmmmm...in this league or in any ABCA? Cause definitely not EVER, but here...maybe. Depends what you think about REAL as a GM I guess... #rivalry |
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Post by Phil Jackson on Jun 10, 2015 12:56:09 GMT -6
Nice one, SF.
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Post by Madrid on Jun 10, 2015 12:56:21 GMT -6
The roark tidbit made me chuckle...This seems like fun -- will Dave have the lowest ranking for a GM to ever win the ship? Hmmmm...in this league or in any ABCA? Cause definitely not EVER, but here...maybe. Depends what you think about REAL as a GM I guess... #rivalry Championship is what I think about Madrid as a GM. Really, though, I expect to be pretty low on most of these rankings. I'd like to think I'm pretty good at game planning and team building (usually do well with what I have and the pieces seem to fit), but the whole talent assessment/acquisition thing has really killed me. |
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Post by Sydney on Jun 10, 2015 13:03:42 GMT -6
Hmmmm...in this league or in any ABCA? Cause definitely not EVER, but here...maybe. Depends what you think about REAL as a GM I guess... #rivalry Championship is what I think about Madrid as a GM. Really, though, I expect to be pretty low on most of these rankings. I'd like to think I'm pretty good at game planning and team building (usually do well with what I have and the pieces seem to fit), but the whole talent assessment/acquisition thing has really killed me. It's hard to gauge talent when only utilizing league scout. |
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Post by Madrid on Jun 10, 2015 13:15:04 GMT -6
Championship is what I think about Madrid as a GM. Really, though, I expect to be pretty low on most of these rankings. I'd like to think I'm pretty good at game planning and team building (usually do well with what I have and the pieces seem to fit), but the whole talent assessment/acquisition thing has really killed me. It's hard to gauge talent when only utilizing league scout. Indeed. I've been soliciting people for screenshots over the last season or two, so I think that's helped (although I probably shouldn't have traded Sprewell for Ray Allen). |
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Post by San Antonio on Jun 10, 2015 13:18:48 GMT -6
Championship is what I think about Madrid as a GM. Really, though, I expect to be pretty low on most of these rankings. I'd like to think I'm pretty good at game planning and team building (usually do well with what I have and the pieces seem to fit), but the whole talent assessment/acquisition thing has really killed me. It's hard to gauge talent when only utilizing league scout. I agree with this, but I've been wondering if scouts really make a huge difference? I mean Seattle and NY seem to be the best at finding hidden gems in the league and both their scouts are great at scouting potential and terrible at scouting current. BTW this post is mainly so I don't get a 0 in Activity/Social Ranking like I'm sure I will get.  |
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Post by Berlin on Jun 10, 2015 13:26:35 GMT -6
It's hard to gauge talent when only utilizing league scout. I agree with this, but I've been wondering if scouts really make a huge difference? I mean Seattle and NY seem to be the best at finding hidden gems in the league and both their scouts are great at scouting potential and terrible at scouting current. BTW this post is mainly so I don't get a 0 in Activity/Social Ranking like I'm sure I will get. NY has access to half the scouts in the league. I'm guessing Seattle does too...as long as GMs are willing to pass around passwords to look at players through different scouts perspectives, it doesn't much matter if you get a scout that only focuses on one of the two metrics...as long as your buddy focuses on the other. |
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Post by Derek on Jun 10, 2015 13:29:19 GMT -6
I agree with this, but I've been wondering if scouts really make a huge difference? I mean Seattle and NY seem to be the best at finding hidden gems in the league and both their scouts are great at scouting potential and terrible at scouting current. BTW this post is mainly so I don't get a 0 in Activity/Social Ranking like I'm sure I will get. NY has access to half the scouts in the league. I'm guessing Seattle does too...as long as GMs are willing to pass around passwords to look at players through different scouts perspectives, it doesn't much matter if you get a scout that only focuses on one of the two metrics...as long as your buddy focuses on the other. Between this and just asking GMs that have done well consistently what they think of players is crucial. Not every player you're going after but other players to compare to those. Gives you a good judgement of who is valued around the league. |
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Post by New York on Jun 10, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -6
Lol I love that Plossl claims I have access to half the scouts in the league. I couldn't list 5 GMs who I have the passwords of. Some GMs without the game (or with the game but don't have access to their computer) have given me their password so I can get them screenshots but outside that not sure where it's coming from that I have everyone (or even half the league's) passwords lol. Now the second point of seeing players through other scout's eyes is true as i've asked GMs like LA, Seattle, San Fran, and Sydney in the past what they think of certain players and they've either told me or sent me screenshots (which I don't think is a big deal since most GMs in this league have at one point or another asked someone else what they think of a player).
Also to answer your question San Antonio, scouts don't make a huge difference even when it comes to league scout. There will be differences obviously but it's not hard to get a general idea of how good (or bad) a player is. To be honest when I look through the players post TC to spot jumps and drops (which i've been pretty accurate with) I spot most of them with league scout before even opening the game.
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Post by New York on Jun 10, 2015 13:53:12 GMT -6
Oh and to stay on topic with the thread since the above had nothing to do with this announcement, i'm pretty excited for this. I'll definitely be participating in some way.
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Post by Los Angeles on Jun 10, 2015 14:11:40 GMT -6
Yeah like I said ill participate, do think you should weigh activity less compared to other things bc yeah we want everone to be super active on the boards and skypee/slack but its not a determining factor in how good of a GM the person is. I also think teams filling this out will already be more inherently biased towards more active GMs
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Post by New York on Jun 10, 2015 14:30:28 GMT -6
Yeah like I said ill participate, do think you should weigh activity less compared to other things bc yeah we want everone to be super active on the boards and skypee/slack but its not a determining factor in how good of a GM the person is. I also think teams filling this out will already be more inherently biased towards more active GMs DAMMIT LA, Activity is my shot at a high spot on this list. Don't ruin it for me |
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Post by Berlin on Jun 10, 2015 14:41:06 GMT -6
Lol I love that Plossl claims I have access to half the scouts in the league. I couldn't list 5 GMs who I have the passwords of. Some GMs without the game (or with the game but don't have access to their computer) have given me their password so I can get them screenshots but outside that not sure where it's coming from that I have everyone (or even half the league's) passwords lol. Now the second point of seeing players through other scout's eyes is true as i've asked GMs like LA, Seattle, San Fran, and Sydney in the past what they think of certain players and they've either told me or sent me screenshots (which I don't think is a big deal since most GMs in this league have at one point or another asked someone else what they think of a player). Also to answer your question San Antonio, scouts don't make a huge difference even when it comes to league scout. There will be differences obviously but it's not hard to get a general idea of how good (or bad) a player is. To be honest when I look through the players post TC to spot jumps and drops (which i've been pretty accurate with) I spot most of them with league scout before even opening the game. I don't know...you seem awfully defensive about my baseless accusations...makes me even MORE suspicious now! |
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Post by New York on Jun 10, 2015 14:49:09 GMT -6
I don't know...you seem awfully defensive about my baseless accusations...makes me even MORE suspicious now! Lol it was more because i've seen you say this a few times now. But i'm down with making this another ABCA conspiracy  . It can go right up there with me just being an alter ego of London  |
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. It can go right up there with me just being an alter ego of London 