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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 13:42:34 GMT -6
London - Yes, poorly worded. Not ignorant. I am not saying don't be "different" ... simply meant we don't all need signs or interviews to let everyone know in what way we are different. I don't have a problem with anyone who is gay, I have a problem when I am trying to get to work and you are holding up traffic to let the world know. CSKA - Come on now, he even admitted he was "waiting for the right time" to do so. Right time meaning when he is ready to. When his team is in the off season. When he has no ties and cant bring any negative or positive light to any organization. When he thinks its a good time for people to hear it.. Not when he has figured out the best way to make the most money. You talk like hes been plotting for week on how to make the most money off of coming out. Thats ridiculous. I don't think this was a money thing for Collins, but Dan Le Batard just said that this was easy for Collins because this will almost guarantee he's retired. GMs will be concerned to bring in an openly gay athlete. I would have rather seen this during the season versus waiting it out. Jason Collins is a Stanford guy, he is very intelligent and could have helped more by doing this before the season. Hell at least people may have cared about the Wizards just for this.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 13:42:42 GMT -6
Im not trying to be a dick in any of this and I completely understand where Brazil is coming from. I could care less if anyone is gay or not and any sports star coming out, or any famous person in general means nothing to me. I ignore it because Im ok with it, but Im not going to get upset because they are bringing light to the situation. There are plenty of people in this country that DO have a problem with things like this or dont understand how common and ok it is. This is to help our race get past judging each other for making decisions that are completely OK.
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Post by London on Apr 29, 2013 13:42:58 GMT -6
London - Yes, poorly worded. Not ignorant. I am not saying don't be "different" ... simply meant we don't all need signs or interviews to let everyone know in what way we are different. I don't have a problem with anyone who is gay, I have a problem when I am trying to get to work and you are holding up traffic to let the world know. CSKA - Come on now, he even admitted he was "waiting for the right time" to do so. Who's stopping traffic? He told someone, the media went ballistic. They've been waiting for a pro-athlete to come out for months. It's been all over ESPN. It's not his problem other people are making it a story. This is an issue because OTHERS are recognizing its a step for sports/society.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 13:43:12 GMT -6
That was awesome lol
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 13:43:43 GMT -6
You heard it. Dave is the first ABCA GM to come out. STOP DRAWING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF, DAVE!!! God damnit John. Nobody was supposed to notice that. Now I have to keep the wife off my CPU so she doesn't see this. I spent years building up the straight porn on my CPU just to throw off the scent. I hate you!
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 13:46:10 GMT -6
You heard it. Dave is the first ABCA GM to come out. STOP DRAWING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF, DAVE!!! God damnit John. Nobody was supposed to notice that. Now I have to keep the wife off my CPU so she doesn't see this. I spent years building up the straight porn on my CPU just to throw off the scent. I hate you! These might be the best posts in Legends thus far
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 13:47:19 GMT -6
God damnit John. Nobody was supposed to notice that. Now I have to keep the wife off my CPU so she doesn't see this. I spent years building up the straight porn on my CPU just to throw off the scent. I hate you! These might be the best posts in Legends thus far Somebody has to bring in the Ratings DAMNIT!!!
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Post by Berlin on Apr 29, 2013 13:47:57 GMT -6
Right time meaning when he is ready to. When his team is in the off season. When he has no ties and cant bring any negative or positive light to any organization. When he thinks its a good time for people to hear it.. Not when he has figured out the best way to make the most money. You talk like hes been plotting for week on how to make the most money off of coming out. Thats ridiculous. I don't think this was a money thing for Collins, but Dan Le Batard just said that this was easy for Collins because this will almost guarantee he's retired. GMs will be concerned to bring in an openly gay athlete. I would have rather seen this during the season versus waiting it out. Jason Collins is a Stanford guy, he is very intelligent and could have helped more by doing this before the season. Hell at least people may have cared about the Wizards just for this. I can tell you, living in the DC area...no one would have cared about the Wizards. Not one. Not even a little. The Collins story wouldn't have been any bigger than it is coming up during the middle of the playoffs when the NBA gets the must publicity...this really is the best timing in my opinion. Again, I can't establish enough...short of an act of God, nobody cares about the Wizards. Worst fan base ever.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 13:49:40 GMT -6
At least you guys have John Wall. Maybe he'll turn that place around one day.
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 13:50:19 GMT -6
1) Always been a Jason Collins fan, he is a very good post defender and if you know Dwight stands in your way... he's a nice asset to have.
2) I am not upset at all that he brought it to light, especially since he didn't do some stupid "decision" type ordeal about it.
Two things upset me: 1) That people even have to "come out" ... man, just go about your business and people will find out when they find out. I lost a good friend in high school because he came out to me and I told him no problem. We kept hanging out, going to games, etc. Couple weeks later he snaps on me saying I didn't want to be his friend because he was gay. Still to this day don't know what happened. 2) People who throw things in everyone's face. Whether it is being good at something or being gay or whatever. I just don't get the need for it. I guess because I don't judge I just consider all that the same. Maybe my ignorance is in the fact that I don't realize how ignorant people are. Meaning I don't realize just how judgmental so many people are.
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Post by Berlin on Apr 29, 2013 13:51:06 GMT -6
At least you guys have John Wall. Maybe he'll turn that place around one day. 1. John Wall is over-rated 2. There is no way that John Wall re-signs with Washington when his rookie contract runs out 3. John Wall is over-rated
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 13:55:50 GMT -6
At least you guys have John Wall. Maybe he'll turn that place around one day. 1. John Wall is over-rated 2. There is no way that John Wall re-signs with Washington when his rookie contract runs out 3. John Wall is over-rated I'd like to say you'll be better off without him, but these are the Wizards. Is MJ still able to play again, that could be an improvement right?
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Post by Berlin on Apr 29, 2013 13:59:44 GMT -6
The only way the Wizards could be worse is if Jordan took over as owner...and luckily he can't own two teams at once. Sucks to be you Bobcats fan(s)!
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 14:01:00 GMT -6
1) Always been a Jason Collins fan, he is a very good post defender and if you know Dwight stands in your way... he's a nice asset to have. 2) I am not upset at all that he brought it to light, especially since he didn't do some stupid "decision" type ordeal about it. Two things upset me: 1) That people even have to "come out" ... man, just go about your business and people will find out when they find out. I lost a good friend in high school because he came out to me and I told him no problem. We kept hanging out, going to games, etc. Couple weeks later he snaps on me saying I didn't want to be his friend because he was gay. Still to this day don't know what happened. 2) People who throw things in everyone's face. Whether it is being good at something or being gay or whatever. I just don't get the need for it. I guess because I don't judge I just consider all that the same. Maybe my ignorance is in the fact that I don't realize how ignorant people are. Meaning I don't realize just how judgmental so many people are. I hear you loud and clear. People aren't as open and accepting as they should be. Dont get me wrong there are a lot of people who are but there are a lot of people who arent. This is the first step in making exactly that happen. Once we get past this transitional period and really open everyone up to the situation it will blow over and be just another thing that people are fine with.
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 14:09:30 GMT -6
I am beginning to dislike media more and more and more. Gonna be beyond annoying listening to who is coming out and who isn't.
Wonder if Vegas is taking bets on it...
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 14:12:11 GMT -6
This was the last straw for you with Media? I tell you what I'll take a gay guy coming out every day if it means one less segment of Dwight Howard Drama, Killings and other horrible things in news, Tebow, etc.
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 14:22:37 GMT -6
Yeah I wanna hear more about Manti Teo!
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 14:24:11 GMT -6
Nah, no last straw yet. Lol. I try and try to listen to sports talk but I end up right back on Pandora.
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Post by Dave on Apr 29, 2013 14:24:26 GMT -6
Yeah I wanna hear more about Manti Teo! HE'S A CHARGER!!! NFL IS OVER!!! STILL NOT AS GOOD AS DENVER!!!!HE'S IN HAWAII!!!! That enough for you?
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Post by Derek on Apr 29, 2013 14:25:27 GMT -6
Yeah I wanna hear more about Manti Teo! Did he "Come Out" yet?
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Post by Tyler on Apr 29, 2013 14:25:51 GMT -6
No I think there was something about a girlfriend and his sexuality was in question. I NEED MORE NEWS!!!!
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Post by Bayi on Apr 29, 2013 19:11:33 GMT -6
This thread depresses me on all levels from all involved. Bummer.
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Post by Drew on Apr 29, 2013 20:28:02 GMT -6
Brasil: that seems to be a personal reaction that you have, and it's perfectly justified, but by no means means the entire LGBT community needs to tone it down to fit your ideas of what is acceptable. I'm just not a conformist type of guy so I'm never going to agree with the "fit in dint stick out" argument.
Also I went to high school with Manti Te'o, he's a solid guy.
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Post by zachary on Apr 30, 2013 19:47:15 GMT -6
Jason Collins ft. 2 Chainz - I'm Different
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